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1099-MISC not received (probably wasn't issued) johnstacco 02-23-2007
Posted by shedges on February 25, 2007, 4:41 am
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You do not need the EIN, as the 1099MISC is not attached to
your 1040 unless there was Fed Inc Tax Withholding-which is
very rare in my experience. You just report the income,
probably on line 7 of the Form 1040. If you are a
misclassified worker (you were really an employee of their's
not an independent contractor, you report the income on the
Tip Income Form 4137 and just pay your half of the Soc Sec
Tax-which the 4137 does for you. You do not file Sch C, as
this transfers to Form SE which computes double the Soc Sec
Tax. This Form 4137 filing is allowed under Rev Proc 85-18.
A "misclassified worker" is someone who is not "holding
themselves out to the public as being in the business of
performing the services rendered", which is usually
indicated by just having 1 Form 1099MISC.

If you had little or no significant investment in tools of
the trade, except small hand tools, and you had no
significant investment in advertising, letterhead, bus
phone, insurance, and they supplied most everything, such as
supplies, materials, desk, lighting, heat, etc., or they
paid you by the hour or were able to tell you when to be at
work, what to do at work, in which order to do the work, or
could fire you ... you were probably an EMPLOYEE.

If you had no way of loosing money without this work, you're
probably an employee. Sure, you may not make any money
without them ... but would you LOOSE money, such as paying
for insurance, office rent, etc? If you were, in-fact an
employee and were misclassified as an independent
contractor, Sec 530 of the 1976 tax act and Rev. Proc. 85-18
say that you are an employee even if your employer
misclassified you, and thus only required to pay your half
of the Soc Sec tax. This is done on Form 4137. Near the top
of the page, in the blank lines below your name and SSN, you
enter "FILED UNDER REV. PROC. 85-18" on the next line enter
"SEC 530-WORKERS INCOME RECLASSIFIED AS WAGES". On the third
line, you enter the employer's name. The Form 4137
automatically only computes your half of the Soc Tax. The
IRS never seems to investigate the employer for the
misclassification, as they seem to have no way of capturing
the information provided. Additionally, Sec 530 allows
certain employers to legally misclassify workers in the
trucking, construction, hair/ barber/beautician and other
industries and under other limited situations. Ironically,
one of the conditions allowing the employer to legally
misclassify, is that they issue 1099MISC's to those earning
over $600. OOPS. Not your problem...you just pay your half
of the Soc Sec Tax (and of course the income tax, Fed and
State). TaxCut should handle this on the 1099MISC input
sheet, where you tell it to apply the 1099MISC amount to
Form 4137. It'll do the rest, except you'll manually enter
the 3 lines of info memtioned above. If the program won't do
it automatically, just go to Form 4137 and enter the
1099MISC amount on Line 1, then enter and the 3 lines of
info memtioned above. As a check number, line 12 should be
7.65% of Line 1, the 1099MISC amount. The Line 12 amount
flows to line 59, Form 1040 and the 1099MISC, Box 7 amount
goes to Form 1040, Line 7, and increases any amount already
there.

Confused? Don't feel bad, most tax preparers don't even know
how to handle this one correctly.

STEVE
Tax Lawyer.

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Posted by PaulTry on February 26, 2007, 12:35 am
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shedges@bloomington.com wrote:

> If you were, in-fact an
> employee and were misclassified as an independent
> contractor, Sec 530 of the 1976 tax act and Rev. Proc. 85-18
> say that you are an employee even if your employer
> misclassified you, and thus only required to pay your half
> of the Soc Sec tax. This is done on Form 4137. Near the top
> of the page, in the blank lines below your name and SSN, you
> enter "FILED UNDER REV. PROC. 85-18" on the next line enter
> "SEC 530-WORKERS INCOME RECLASSIFIED AS WAGES". On the third
> line, you enter the employer's name. The Form 4137
> automatically only computes your half of the Soc Tax. The
> IRS never seems to investigate the employer for the
> misclassification, as they seem to have no way of capturing
> the information provided.

Completion and submission of Form SS-8, in concert with the
above, may initiate an IRS investigation of the employer.

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Posted by johnstacco on February 25, 2007, 4:41 am
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Thank you all for answering my question!

I understand that I must report this income regardless of
1099 being issued to me, but isn't the employer required by
law to issue a 1099 if the amount is over $600?

Thanks again!

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Posted by johnstacco on February 25, 2007, 4:41 am
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> 1099's are due Feb 28th

Thanks, but I thought it's January 31, according to IRS at
this link
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=106530,00.html

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Posted by johnstacco on February 26, 2007, 12:35 am
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shed...@bloomington.com wrote:

> You do not need the EIN, as the 1099MISC is not attached to
> your 1040 unless there was Fed Inc Tax Withholding-which is
> very rare in my experience. You just report the income,
> probably on line 7 of the Form 1040. If you are a
> misclassified worker (you were really an employee of their's
> not an independent contractor, you report the income on the
> Tip Income Form 4137 and just pay your half of the Soc Sec
> Tax-which the 4137 does for you. You do not file Sch C, as
> this transfers to Form SE which computes double the Soc Sec
> Tax. This Form 4137 filing is allowed under Rev Proc 85-18.
> A "misclassified worker" is someone who is not "holding
> themselves out to the public as being in the business of
> performing the services rendered", which is usually
> indicated by just having 1 Form 1099MISC.
>
> If you had little or no significant investment in tools of
> the trade, except small hand tools, and you had no
> significant investment in advertising, letterhead, bus
> phone, insurance, and they supplied most everything, such as
> supplies, materials, desk, lighting, heat, etc., or they
> paid you by the hour or were able to tell you when to be at
> work, what to do at work, in which order to do the work, or
> could fire you ... you were probably an EMPLOYEE.
>
> If you had no way of loosing money without this work, you're
> probably an employee. Sure, you may not make any money
> without them ... but would you LOOSE money, such as paying
> for insurance, office rent, etc? If you were, in-fact an
> employee and were misclassified as an independent
> contractor, Sec 530 of the 1976 tax act and Rev. Proc. 85-18
> say that you are an employee even if your employer
> misclassified you, and thus only required to pay your half
> of the Soc Sec tax. This is done on Form 4137. Near the top
> of the page, in the blank lines below your name and SSN, you
> enter "FILED UNDER REV. PROC. 85-18" on the next line enter
> "SEC 530-WORKERS INCOME RECLASSIFIED AS WAGES". On the third
> line, you enter the employer's name. The Form 4137
> automatically only computes your half of the Soc Tax. The
> IRS never seems to investigate the employer for the
> misclassification, as they seem to have no way of capturing
> the information provided. Additionally, Sec 530 allows
> certain employers to legally misclassify workers in the
> trucking, construction, hair/ barber/beautician and other
> industries and under other limited situations. Ironically,
> one of the conditions allowing the employer to legally
> misclassify, is that they issue 1099MISC's to those earning
> over $600. OOPS. Not your problem...you just pay your half
> of the Soc Sec Tax (and of course the income tax, Fed and
> State). TaxCut should handle this on the 1099MISC input
> sheet, where you tell it to apply the 1099MISC amount to
> Form 4137. It'll do the rest, except you'll manually enter
> the 3 lines of info memtioned above. If the program won't do
> it automatically, just go to Form 4137 and enter the
> 1099MISC amount on Line 1, then enter and the 3 lines of
> info memtioned above. As a check number, line 12 should be
> 7.65% of Line 1, the 1099MISC amount. The Line 12 amount
> flows to line 59, Form 1040 and the 1099MISC, Box 7 amount
> goes to Form 1040, Line 7, and increases any amount already
> there.
>
> Confused? Don't feel bad, most tax preparers don't even know
> how to handle this one correctly.

Thank you for your insightful analysis Steve!

So I did a little follow-up research, it looks like I am
indeed misclassified. However, I discovered IRS form SS-8
"Determination of Worker Status for Purposes of Federal
Employment Taxes and Income Tax Withholding", and it seems
like you can't simply "reclassify" yourself but need to file
form SS-8 first, then wait for their ruling.

Or am I wrong about this?

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