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Accounting Software for "Day Trader"? boblink 08-11-2009
Posted by boblink on August 11, 2009, 9:39 pm
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Hi, I am not a Day Trader but setup a Limited Partnership and
S-Corporation whose primary "business" is Buying and Selling stocks,
mutual funds, bonds,..... I use Quicken which is excellent to keep track
of purchases and sales but I also would like to create a GL, I&E
statements, Balance sheets,.. which Quicken can not do and would
appreciate if someone can please advise me if their is an (off the shelf)
software program that he can be used for "accounting functions" for
someone who does not have accounts receivable or payable, no payroll or
invoices, but only Buys and Sells stocks, bonds,.....? Thanks, Bob


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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on August 11, 2009, 10:32 pm
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>Hi, I am not a Day Trader but setup a Limited Partnership and
>S-Corporation whose primary "business" is Buying and Selling stocks,
>mutual funds, bonds,..... I use Quicken which is excellent to keep track
>of purchases and sales but I also would like to create a GL, I&E
>statements, Balance sheets,.. which Quicken can not do and would
>appreciate if someone can please advise me if their is an (off the shelf)
>software program that he can be used for "accounting functions" for
>someone who does not have accounts receivable or payable, no payroll or
>invoices, but only Buys and Sells stocks, bonds,.....? Thanks, Bob


I can't really address your software issue but ...


Would you mind sharing why you believe a Limited Partnership and also
an S-corp is needed or provides some benefit for buying and selling
various securities?
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ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Posted by Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, AB on August 12, 2009, 4:26 pm
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>>Hi, I am not a Day Trader but setup a Limited Partnership and
>>S-Corporation whose primary "business" is Buying and Selling stocks,
>>mutual funds, bonds,..... I use Quicken which is excellent to keep track
>>of purchases and sales but I also would like to create a GL, I&E
>>statements, Balance sheets,.. which Quicken can not do and would
>>appreciate if someone can please advise me if their is an (off the shelf)
>>software program that he can be used for "accounting functions" for
>>someone who does not have accounts receivable or payable, no payroll or
>>invoices, but only Buys and Sells stocks, bonds,.....? Thanks, Bob
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> I can't really address your software issue but ...
>
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> Would you mind sharing why you believe a Limited Partnership and also
> an S-corp is needed or provides some benefit for buying and selling
> various securities?
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> ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

Great follow up Art. I'm curious about this as well. I don't recall the
details but I have some vague recollection of some special issues for S
Corps that garner more than a certain percentage of their income from
passive activities, which I THINK would include day trading.

If this guy isn't careful he could wind up paying MORE tax because of
setting up incorrectly.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

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Posted by \"Jack\"-:) on August 13, 2009, 12:18 am
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On Aug 12, 4:26�pm, "Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA"
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> >>Hi, I am not a Day Trader but setup a Limited Partnership and
> >>S-Corporation whose primary "business" is Buying and Selling stocks,
> >>mutual funds, bonds,..... I use Quicken which is excellent to keep track
> >>of �purchases and sales but I also would like to create a GL, I&E
> >>statements, Balance sheets,.. which �Quicken can not do and �would
> >>appreciate if someone can please advise me if their is an (off the shelf)
> >>software program that he can be used for "accounting functions" for
> >>someone who does not have accounts receivable or payable, no payroll or
> >>invoices, but only Buys and Sells stocks, bonds,.....? �Thanks, Bob
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> > I can't really address your software issue but ...
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> > Would you mind sharing why you believe a Limited Partnership and also
> > an S-corp is needed or provides some benefit for buying and selling
> > various securities?
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> > ArtKamlet �at �a o l dot c o m �Columbus OH �K2PZH
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> Great follow up Art. �I'm curious about this as well. �I don't recall the
> details but I have some vague recollection of some special issues for S
> Corps that garner more than a certain percentage of their income from
> passive activities, which I THINK would include day trading.
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> If this guy isn't careful he could wind up paying MORE tax because of
> setting up incorrectly.
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> Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA
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Along with Art & Gene i would question the entity choice. As for
accounting, I ask my clients to use Gainskeeper. I believe, if you do
a search for the product, you'll find a free trial. It keeps track of
ALL transactions (wash sales, cost basis changes,etc)

There could be benefits by changing the method of accounting, using
mark to market and sole proprietor status on Schedule C. Check out
the topic Topic 429 - Traders in Securities (Information for Form
1040 Filers)

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc429.html

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on August 26, 2009, 11:26 am
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On Aug 12, 1:26 pm, "Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA"

> Corps that garner more than a certain percentage of their income from
> passive activities, which I THINK would include day trading.

In many places of the tax code passive income is defined as royalties,
dividends, interest, etc. See for example
http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/S_Corporation_passive_income_tax.
Capital gains are not considered passive income. Day trading probably
involves mostly capital gains.

For traders there is an election to eliminate the wash sale rule,
treat all gains as short term, and eliminate the maximum capital gain
loss than can be deducted each year (by default $3000). I think it
has a 75 in it.

S Corps in California have a tax which is the larger of $800 or 1.5%
of income.

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