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Basic question about state tax patrick.20414 11-28-2006
Posted by patrick.20414 on November 28, 2006, 1:03 am
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Hello,

I read in the newspaper that should baseball player Vernon Wells sign
with the Texas Rangers for roughly $16 million to $18 million per year,
he would save roughly $10 million / year in tax savings considering he
makes his principal home in Texas and Texas has no state income tax.

Currently Vernon Wells plays baseball in Canada. Can a pro sports
player not keep his tax advantage by designating his principal
residence in Texas but at the same time playing for a sport's team
outside the state of Texas?

Thank you

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on November 28, 2006, 9:03 pm
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> I read in the newspaper that should baseball player Vernon
> Wells sign with the Texas Rangers for roughly $16 million
> to $18 million per year, he would save roughly $10 million
> / year in tax savings considering he makes his principal
> home in Texas and Texas has no state income tax.
>
> Currently Vernon Wells plays baseball in Canada. Can a pro
> sports player not keep his tax advantage by designating his
> principal residence in Texas but at the same time playing
> for a sport's team outside the state of Texas?

Income is taxed under two scenarios. One being your state
of residence taxing all income regardless of where it's
earned. The other, the one that hits home, is that tax is
imposed by the state in which it is earned. There's a good
chance that for every away game, taxes are due to that state
(where the game is played).

So, unless there is a reciprocity agreement between states
(NY and NJ come to mind, but then no one actually plays in
NY anymore), an athlete's income would be subject to the
same rules for any non-resident earning income in that
state.

And that just doesn't apply to athletes, but artists,
entertainers, musicians, etc, as well as their crew. So the
coaches, paid cheerleaders, road crew, and staff are also
filing dozens of state returns each year.

But then, that's why they make the big bucks.

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Paul Thomas, CPA
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Posted by Bob Sandler on November 30, 2006, 1:22 am
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> no one actually plays in NY anymore

Have the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Liberty, Rangers, and
Islanders all left New York, and I didn't know it?

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Posted by Barry Margolin on November 30, 2006, 1:41 am
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>> I read in the newspaper that should baseball player Vernon
>> Wells sign with the Texas Rangers for roughly $16 million
>> to $18 million per year, he would save roughly $10 million
>> / year in tax savings considering he makes his principal
>> home in Texas and Texas has no state income tax.
>>
>> Currently Vernon Wells plays baseball in Canada. Can a pro
>> sports player not keep his tax advantage by designating his
>> principal residence in Texas but at the same time playing
>> for a sport's team outside the state of Texas?

> Income is taxed under two scenarios. One being your state
> of residence taxing all income regardless of where it's
> earned. The other, the one that hits home, is that tax is
> imposed by the state in which it is earned. There's a good
> chance that for every away game, taxes are due to that state
> (where the game is played).
>
> So, unless there is a reciprocity agreement between states
> (NY and NJ come to mind, but then no one actually plays in
> NY anymore), an athlete's income would be subject to the
> same rules for any non-resident earning income in that
> state.
>
> And that just doesn't apply to athletes, but artists,
> entertainers, musicians, etc, as well as their crew. So the
> coaches, paid cheerleaders, road crew, and staff are also
> filing dozens of state returns each year.

Is this only true for occupations where you spend a
significant portion of your time away from the state of your
main office? If I normally work in Massachusetts, but my
company sends me to work in the California office for a
couple of weeks, I don't expect to pay California taxes for
the earnings during those weeks. An athlete probably only
spends 3-4 days per year in any particular away game state,
less than a ordinary executive traveling to another company
office for a week or two -- why does the athlete have to pay
taxes in those states, but not the executive?

However, baseball players in northern states *do* spend
several months in the south for spring training -- it would
make sense for them to pay taxes in the southern state
during that time.

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Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Posted by Rich Carreiro on December 3, 2006, 3:46 pm
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> main office? If I normally work in Massachusetts, but my
> company sends me to work in the California office for a
> couple of weeks, I don't expect to pay California taxes for
> the earnings during those weeks. An athlete probably only

I believe that you darn well *should* be expecting to
potentially pay taxes on those earnings ("potentially"
because your CA earnings might not be enough to be taxable).
However, for non-celebrities, CA has no way to find out you
were in-state, so no way to enforce it.

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Rich Carreiro rlcarr@animato.arlington.ma.us

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