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Can entertainment and meals be deductible in full? removeps-groups@yahoo.com 04-12-2008
Posted by Ernie Klein on April 15, 2008, 12:10 am
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> Is this thread what an IRS audit would be like?

Except the auditor won't have a smile on his face.

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on April 15, 2008, 7:43 am
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>> Is this thread what an IRS audit would be like?
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> Except the auditor won't have a smile on his face.





I've seen this nearly exact same scenario go south on someone.






Booking gets done over the phone and through e-mail these days. Same for
promoting.

The necessity of visiting a venue to evaluate the possibility that your band
might want to play there is dubious.





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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 17, 2008, 3:30 pm
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> I've seen this nearly exact same scenario go south on someone.

Did they have proper documentation? Were there entertinament/scouting
expenses large relative to the rest of their expenses? If they had
proper documentation (which shoud includes receipts and preferrably a
log of their analysis) and scouting expenses were not large relative
to all expenses (5% might be a reasonable ratio), then it seems fair
enough.


> Booking gets done over the phone and through e-mail these days. Same for
> promoting.

You still have to see the place in person to be sure. Sometimes you
could go to the place when there is no concert in place, probably for
free just to check out the size and so on. Documentation of this
would be good to have too.


> The necessity of visiting a venue to evaluate the possibility that your band
> might want to play there is dubious.
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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on April 17, 2008, 5:17 pm
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> You still have to see the place in person to be sure. Sometimes you
> could go to the place when there is no concert in place, probably for
> free just to check out the size and so on. Documentation of this
> would be good to have too.





Clearly going there during the day, meeting with the management and staff,
sound and lighting people, etc is common enough practice in the music and
entertainment industry. Attending a show there is not.

Look, the folks at the venue will want you to have a huge show, and will do
whatever to make it so. They'll direct you to the radio, press, etc to get
your word out to the public that frequent their venue.





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Posted by Seth on April 23, 2008, 9:34 am
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>> You still have to see the place in person to be sure. Sometimes you
>> could go to the place when there is no concert in place, probably for
>> free just to check out the size and so on. Documentation of this
>> would be good to have too.
>
>Clearly going there during the day, meeting with the management and staff,
>sound and lighting people, etc is common enough practice in the music and
>entertainment industry. Attending a show there is not.

I don't know the actual practices. I can see lots of times when it's
cheaper to attend a show (e.g. I want to see how fancy they can get
with the existing lighting system; they'll charge me a lot to have
their lighting engineer come in specially to show me, or I can buy a
ticket to a show where they say they'll be doing lots of lighting
effects.)

>Look, the folks at the venue will want you to have a huge show, and will do
>whatever to make it so. They'll direct you to the radio, press, etc to get
>your word out to the public that frequent their venue.

It's not clear they know the optimal ways to advertise (certainly they
have little incentive to save you money; they'd rather have you spend
another $1,000 to get $500 more tickets sold).

Seth

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