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Capital Gains=0 DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmo 01-18-2008
Posted by DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmo on January 18, 2008, 7:37 pm
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I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
those above it is 5%.

They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither
of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
until reminded at a seminar last week.

Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
change?

I am warning them that it could be changed again depending on the
election results so don't count on any more lower rate after 2008.

Linda Dorfmont E.A., CFP, CSA

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Posted by joetaxpayer on January 18, 2008, 9:24 pm
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DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:

> I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
> taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
> a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
> mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
> gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
> those above it is 5%.
>
> They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither
> of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
> heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
> until reminded at a seminar last week.
>
> Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
> change?

I don't understand how the two are related. If they are upside-down on
the mortgages, how do they still have a capital gain? Did they just keep
pulling money out?

The new rates do not include a 5% rate as you suggest above.
If your tax rate is 10 or 15%, you have a 0% cap gain rate. 25% or
higher bracket still see a 15% rate.

The law was JOBS AND GROWTH TAX RELIEF RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2003
(JGTRRA) of course. A link to the details is
http://www.cffp.edu/portal/alias__Rainbow/lang__en-US/tabID__3406/Default.aspx

Some amateurs out there will guess it was part of the Pension Protection
Act of 2006, which contained a myriad of other changes to the tax code.
Their accountant needs to read more.

JOE

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Posted by Will on January 21, 2008, 6:27 am
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> DORFMONT@aol.com (Linda Dorfmont) wrote:
>
>> I have been doing a number of distressed disposition analyses for
>> taxpayers who are upside down on their mortgages. I recently met with
>> a family who has several rental properties in this situation. I
>> mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
>> gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket, and for
>> those above it is 5%.
>>
>> They spoke with their regular accountant and their attorney. Neither
>> of these people had heard of the change to the capital gains rate. I
>> heard about it several years ago when it was first passed but forgot
>> until reminded at a seminar last week.
>>
>> Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
>> change?
>
> I don't understand how the two are related. If they are upside-down on the
> mortgages, how do they still have a capital gain? Did they just keep
> pulling money out?
>
> The new rates do not include a 5% rate as you suggest above.
> If your tax rate is 10 or 15%, you have a 0% cap gain rate. 25% or higher
> bracket still see a 15% rate.

So if an elderly couple is living with income at the poverty line but has a
$2M one-time capital gain on sale of their primary residence, they can take
the entire $2M free of Federal capital gains? Or is there a cap on the
amount that will qualify for the 0% rate?

--
Will


> The law was JOBS AND GROWTH TAX RELIEF RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2003 (JGTRRA)
> of course. A link to the details is
> http://www.cffp.edu/portal/alias__Rainbow/lang__en-US/tabID__3406/Default.aspx
>
> Some amateurs out there will guess it was part of the Pension Protection
> Act of 2006, which contained a myriad of other changes to the tax code.
> Their accountant needs to read more.
>
> JOE
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Posted by Don Priebe on January 21, 2008, 7:12 am
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> So if an elderly couple is living with income at the poverty line but has
> a
> $2M one-time capital gain on sale of their primary residence, they can
> take the entire $2M free of Federal capital gains? Or is there a cap on
> the amount that will qualify for the 0% rate?

There is a cap, since the 0% rate applies only to capital gain income that
would ordinarily fall within the 10% or 15% tax brackets. To see how this
will work, take the "Qualified Dividends and Capital Gain Tax Worksheet" on
page 35 of the 2007 1040 instructions, and substitute 0% for the 5% shown on
line 11.

Complicating your example is the fact they can probably exclude $500,000 of
that gain, but the remaining capital gain will also make 85% of their Social
Security taxable.

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Don EA in Upstate NY

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on January 18, 2008, 9:32 pm
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> mentioned to them that this year and for the next 3 years the capital
> gains rate goes to zero for people in the 10 - 15% bracket

True.

>, and for those above it is 5%.

Not true. It remains at 15%.

> Could somebody give me the law and year it was passed that made this
> change?

The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 and the Tax Increase
Pevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005.

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