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Charitable deduction question nickravo1@gmail.com 04-07-2008
Posted by Seth on April 8, 2008, 6:18 pm
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[effect of $1000 charitable deduction]

>It's quite possible he'll be in AMT (as well as the itemized deduction
>phaseout), in which case the deduction would be $0 to $50. I
>calculated $50 as 33% deduction saving $330, followed by AMT of 28% or
>280, for net savings of 330-280=50.

If he's a little or a lot into AMT, it's worth $280. If he's in
between, $350 (I think the phaseout is 25%).

Seth

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 8, 2008, 9:54 pm
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On Apr 8, 3:18 pm, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:

> If he's a little or a lot into AMT, it's worth $280. If he's in
> between, $350 (I think the phaseout is 25%).

You're right. I initially thought that charitable contributions are
not allowed under AMT, but they are (as no line on that form asks you
to add it back), so I stand corrected. So the tax savings will be as
you say above.

Furthermore, I plugged numbers into my tax program and then I saw line
29 of form 6251 (the AMT exemption). Because the AMT income (line 28)
is less by $1000, the AMT exemption (line 29) is phased out less and
will be greater, meaning that less of your income is subject to AMT.
In my scenario (single filer, 200k income, CA tax 17k, no donations)
line28=200000, line29=22475. With a 1k donation, line28=199000,
line29=22725. Bottom line is that without the donation net tax is
46207; with the donation it is 45857, and net savings is 350 or 35%.
(Note that this person (with 17k of CA taxes) had itemized deduction
phaseout.) Yet the person's tax bracket is 33%.

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Posted by Seth on April 9, 2008, 9:42 pm
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>On Apr 8, 3:18 pm, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:
>
>> If he's a little or a lot into AMT, it's worth $280. If he's in
>> between, $350 (I think the phaseout is 25%).
>
>You're right. I initially thought that charitable contributions are
>not allowed under AMT, but they are (as no line on that form asks you
>to add it back), so I stand corrected. So the tax savings will be as
>you say above.
>
>Furthermore, I plugged numbers into my tax program and then I saw line
>29 of form 6251 (the AMT exemption). Because the AMT income (line 28)
>is less by $1000, the AMT exemption (line 29) is phased out less and
>will be greater, meaning that less of your income is subject to AMT.
>In my scenario (single filer, 200k income, CA tax 17k, no donations)
>line28=200000, line29=22475. With a 1k donation, line28=199000,
>line29=22725. Bottom line is that without the donation net tax is
>46207; with the donation it is 45857, and net savings is 350 or 35%.
>(Note that this person (with 17k of CA taxes) had itemized deduction
>phaseout.) Yet the person's tax bracket is 33%.

There's a relationship between the nominal tax bracket and the
effective tax bracket.

If there's a phaseout in effect, effective = nominal / (1-phaseout).
For most people towards the bottom of the AMT range, the effective
marginal rate is 35%.

Seth

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 7, 2008, 4:11 pm
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> How much will a $1,000 donation reduce by tax bill, if my AGI is
> $200,000?

What is filing status? What are you itemized deductions? What are
your mortgage and investment interest? It could range from 0% to 33%.

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