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Contributions to HSA Count Against $12k Gifting Limits? dpb 08-10-2007
Posted by dpb on August 10, 2007, 2:03 am
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Looking at what options are available to aid
daughter/grandkids w/ medical and health insurance as well
as longer term for education, etc.

Am curious if there are any techniques that would allow for
direct payment of medical expenses, etc., as non-counting
towards gift tax limits.

Alternatives to mix/match w/ 529, HSA, directed trust, etc.,
are what am looking for some guidelines/considerations that
have beneficial effects from both tax liability of
donor/donee and estate reduction considerations are of
interest...

Thoughts appreciated...

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Posted by Herb Smith on August 11, 2007, 2:19 am
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> Looking at what options are available to aid
> daughter/grandkids w/ medical and health insurance as well
> as longer term for education, etc.
>
> Am curious if there are any techniques that would allow for
> direct payment of medical expenses, etc., as non-counting
> towards gift tax limits.
>
> Alternatives to mix/match w/ 529, HSA, directed trust, etc.,
> are what am looking for some guidelines/considerations that
> have beneficial effects from both tax liability of
> donor/donee and estate reduction considerations are of
> interest...

Direct payments to the school or medical facility, for the
benefit of others, are not subject to the gift tax limits.

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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on August 11, 2007, 2:19 am
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> Looking at what options are available to aid
> daughter/grandkids w/ medical and health insurance as well
> as longer term for education, etc.
>
> Am curious if there are any techniques that would allow for
> direct payment of medical expenses, etc., as non-counting
> towards gift tax limits.
>
> Alternatives to mix/match w/ 529, HSA, directed trust, etc.,
> are what am looking for some guidelines/considerations that
> have beneficial effects from both tax liability of
> donor/donee and estate reduction considerations are of
> interest...

You can pay a medical provider for medical expenses and
those payments are not counted towards gift tax.

Similarly you can pay tuition expenses for higher education
directly to the school and no gift tax here either.

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ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Posted by dpb on August 12, 2007, 12:37 am
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Arthur Kamlet wrote:

>> Looking at what options are available to aid
>> daughter/grandkids w/ medical and health insurance as well
>> as longer term for education, etc.
>>
>> Am curious if there are any techniques that would allow for
>> direct payment of medical expenses, etc., as non-counting
>> towards gift tax limits.
>>
>> Alternatives to mix/match w/ 529, HSA, directed trust, etc.,
>> are what am looking for some guidelines/considerations that
>> have beneficial effects from both tax liability of
>> donor/donee and estate reduction considerations are of
>> interest...

> You can pay a medical provider for medical expenses and
> those payments are not counted towards gift tax.
>
> Similarly you can pay tuition expenses for higher education
> directly to the school and no gift tax here either.

OK, thanks -- I had been looking for that and unable to find
it. Do you or someone else know where I can find the
applicable rules?

Would direct payment for health insurance qualify similarly?

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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on August 13, 2007, 10:23 pm
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> Arthur Kamlet wrote:

>>> Looking at what options are available to aid
>>> daughter/grandkids w/ medical and health insurance as well
>>> as longer term for education, etc.
>>>
>>> Am curious if there are any techniques that would allow for
>>> direct payment of medical expenses, etc., as non-counting
>>> towards gift tax limits.
>>>
>>> Alternatives to mix/match w/ 529, HSA, directed trust, etc.,
>>> are what am looking for some guidelines/considerations that
>>> have beneficial effects from both tax liability of
>>> donor/donee and estate reduction considerations are of
>>> interest...

>> You can pay a medical provider for medical expenses and
>> those payments are not counted towards gift tax.
>>
>> Similarly you can pay tuition expenses for higher education
>> directly to the school and no gift tax here either.

> OK, thanks -- I had been looking for that and unable to find
> it. Do you or someone else know where I can find the
> applicable rules?
>
> Would direct payment for health insurance qualify similarly?

Yes.

See "Transfers Not Subject to the Gift Tax" on Page 2, here:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i709.pdf

--
ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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