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Cost Basis of PTP's on K-1/1065 Art 04-19-2008
Posted by Art on April 19, 2008, 4:26 pm
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Hello--

I'm a shareholder (or "limited partner") in several publicly traded
partnerships whose distributions are mostly returns of capital that
reduce my cost basis as they are paid out. I'm trying to calculate my
tax basis in each PTP, because when it reaches zero the distributions
become taxable--and also because I might sell them. The trick is
knowing when it's zero.

Each PTP's annual K-1 sent to shareholders shows a Partner's Capital
Account Analysis in Box L. But the IRS instructions for K-1/1065 warn
that Box L "cannot be used to figure your basis." Anyhow, some of
those Box L bottom lines are already in negative numbers, which the
instructions tell you not to use.

On p. 2 of the IRS instructions, there's a "Worksheet for Adjusting
the Basis of a Partner's Interest in the Partnership" but it requires
some expert understanding of the K-1 entries and how they interrelate,
from year to year.

So is it OK to just deduct from my original cost the cumulative
distributions since I purchased the shares? Probably not. Some parts
of the distributions were NOT return of capital but passive income,
interest, and other categories that complicate the arithmetic in ways
I don't grasp. Also, passive losses and carryovers affect the
calculation too.

Is there a "K-1 for Dummies" book or other source that explains PTP
cost basis in layman's terms? Any guidance will be appreciated.

Thanks for reading this far--
Art

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 20, 2008, 1:52 pm
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On Apr 19, 1:26 pm, hid...@hidden.com (Art) wrote:

> Each PTP's annual K-1 sent to shareholders shows a Partner's Capital
> Account Analysis in Box L. But the IRS instructions for K-1/1065 warn
> that Box L "cannot be used to figure your basis." Anyhow, some of
> those Box L bottom lines are already in negative numbers, which the
> instructions tell you not to use.

How about box 19 (Distributions), codes A and B?

> On p. 2 of the IRS instructions, there's a "Worksheet for Adjusting
> the Basis of a Partner's Interest in the Partnership" but it requires
> some expert understanding of the K-1 entries and how they interrelate,
> from year to year.

Sorry, I haven't used this worksheet before. It's quite long, whereas
adding line 19 over all the years seems easier. Maybe the worksheet
is more thorough.

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Posted by njoracle on April 21, 2008, 2:48 pm
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removeps-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 19, 1:26 pm, hid...@hidden.com (Art) wrote:
>
>> Each PTP's annual K-1 sent to shareholders shows a Partner's Capital
>> Account Analysis in Box L. But the IRS instructions for K-1/1065 warn
>> that Box L "cannot be used to figure your basis." Anyhow, some of
>> those Box L bottom lines are already in negative numbers, which the
>> instructions tell you not to use.
>
> How about box 19 (Distributions), codes A and B?
>
>> On p. 2 of the IRS instructions, there's a "Worksheet for Adjusting
>> the Basis of a Partner's Interest in the Partnership" but it requires
>> some expert understanding of the K-1 entries and how they interrelate,
>> from year to year.
>
> Sorry, I haven't used this worksheet before. It's quite long, whereas
> adding line 19 over all the years seems easier. Maybe the worksheet
> is more thorough.
>

For my PTP, I added up all of the line 19 distributions from the
beginning and they add up to more then the original cost for the first
time this year (2008) and I will have to address this issue for 2008.

Assuming that all of these distributions are "Return of Capital" (which
is probably not 100% true), how does one report this as income? Is this
considered a capital gain and reported on Sched D or is it other income
and reported on 1040, line 21 or does it go somewhere else?

The issue remains that we (the OP and I ) don't know how to calculate
how much of the distribution is "Return of Capital" and how much is
something else. Apparently the data in Box L, does not give you the true
value of "Return of Capital"

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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on April 21, 2008, 2:58 pm
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>removeps-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 1:26 pm, hid...@hidden.com (Art) wrote:
>>
>>> Each PTP's annual K-1 sent to shareholders shows a Partner's Capital
>>> Account Analysis in Box L. But the IRS instructions for K-1/1065 warn
>>> that Box L "cannot be used to figure your basis." Anyhow, some of
>>> those Box L bottom lines are already in negative numbers, which the
>>> instructions tell you not to use.
>>
>> How about box 19 (Distributions), codes A and B?
>>
>>> On p. 2 of the IRS instructions, there's a "Worksheet for Adjusting
>>> the Basis of a Partner's Interest in the Partnership" but it requires
>>> some expert understanding of the K-1 entries and how they interrelate,
>>> from year to year.
>>
>> Sorry, I haven't used this worksheet before. It's quite long, whereas
>> adding line 19 over all the years seems easier. Maybe the worksheet
>> is more thorough.
>>
>
>For my PTP, I added up all of the line 19 distributions from the
>beginning and they add up to more then the original cost for the first
>time this year (2008) and I will have to address this issue for 2008.
>
>Assuming that all of these distributions are "Return of Capital" (which
>is probably not 100% true), how does one report this as income? Is this
>considered a capital gain and reported on Sched D or is it other income
>and reported on 1040, line 21 or does it go somewhere else?
>
>The issue remains that we (the OP and I ) don't know how to calculate
>how much of the distribution is "Return of Capital" and how much is
>something else. Apparently the data in Box L, does not give you the true
> value of "Return of Capital"


Your capital is what you put in after reduction by other distributions,
plus what you earned and retained, such as interest and dividends paid
to you, less losses you recognized that came to you on a K-1.

It is unusual for your capital account to actually go negative.
--


ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Posted by njoracle on April 21, 2008, 8:08 pm
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Arthur Kamlet wrote:
>> removeps-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 1:26 pm, hid...@hidden.com (Art) wrote:

>
> Your capital is what you put in after reduction by other distributions,
> plus what you earned and retained, such as interest and dividends paid
> to you, less losses you recognized that came to you on a K-1.

I originally purchased the PTP from my broker anmd the price I paid is
what I put in. I get a statement from the broker showing the
distribution which is the same amount shown on line 19. So I know what I
paid and what the distributions but I don't know how to calculate how
much of the of the distribution is return of capital.

> It is unusual for your capital account to actually go negative.

If the distribution is 100% return of capital, how can you say that it
would be unusual that capital account would go negative?

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