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Depreciation of Herding Dog Paultry 03-18-2008
Posted by Harlan Lunsford on March 19, 2008, 4:57 pm
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Paultry wrote:
>
> I'm not concerned with how the seller treats the transaction - I'm
> helping the purchaser. My original question was posed in earnest, not
> tongue-in-cheek.
>
> According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Collie),
> border collies are widely regarded as the most intelligent dog breed and
> are frequently used on farms all over the world for assisting with the
> handling of livestock. Quoting Wikipedia, "The use of dogs for herding
> sheep makes good economic sense. In a typical pasture environment each
> trained sheepdog will do the work that it would take about three human
> individuals to do if there were no dogs available."
>
> We believe the costs of acquiring, training, and maintaining the dog are
> ordinary and necessary farm expenses.
> The dog appears to meet the requirements for depreciable property
> outlined in Pub 946 in that:
>
> It is tangible property owned by the taxpayer;
> It is used in his income producing sheep farming activity, and for no
> other purpose;
> It is expected to last more than one year.
>
> We need help with the fourth requirement - determining its useful
> life. Again, according to Wikipedia, the dog has an expected life span
> of 12 to 15 years. It's probably fair to assume an adult working life
> of half that time. We propose to treat the dog as 7-year property,
> either as agricultural machinery or equipment, or as property not in any
> other class. I can't find any IRS documentation that addresses this
> issue. I'm hoping someone here has dealt with this before, and is
> willing to share the wisdom of experience.
>

I canna believe how easy it was to get off topic and so quickly, too.
Nobody really answered the question.

A working dog, like a working machine, is 7 years MACRS.

And they are beautiful to watch when they are working. Some years ago
on one of our many trips to Scotland we had traveled up this valley and
when the road ran out, was returning down to the main road when suddenly
we were stymied because the local farmer was bringing his sheep back
home that night. The three collies were a joy to watch as they knew
exactly how to herd the sheep and keep them focused on the way home.
Of course that was what's known as the 5 O'clock highland traffic jamb,
and we patiently followed behind them.

BTW, the second word beginning my response is Scottish for "can not".
And it's happy hour here in Dixie, and I'll drink that that!

Slainte!

Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by Paultry on March 19, 2008, 9:49 pm
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
> Paultry wrote:
>>
>> I'm not concerned with how the seller treats the transaction - I'm
>> helping the purchaser. My original question was posed in earnest, not
>> tongue-in-cheek.
>>
>> According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Collie),
>> border collies are widely regarded as the most intelligent dog breed
>> and are frequently used on farms all over the world for assisting with
>> the handling of livestock. Quoting Wikipedia, "The use of dogs for
>> herding sheep makes good economic sense. In a typical pasture
>> environment each trained sheepdog will do the work that it would take
>> about three human individuals to do if there were no dogs available."
>>
>> We believe the costs of acquiring, training, and maintaining the dog
>> are ordinary and necessary farm expenses.
>> The dog appears to meet the requirements for depreciable property
>> outlined in Pub 946 in that:
>>
>> It is tangible property owned by the taxpayer;
>> It is used in his income producing sheep farming activity, and for no
>> other purpose;
>> It is expected to last more than one year.
>>
>> We need help with the fourth requirement - determining its useful
>> life. Again, according to Wikipedia, the dog has an expected life
>> span of 12 to 15 years. It's probably fair to assume an adult working
>> life of half that time. We propose to treat the dog as 7-year
>> property, either as agricultural machinery or equipment, or as
>> property not in any other class. I can't find any IRS documentation
>> that addresses this issue. I'm hoping someone here has dealt with
>> this before, and is willing to share the wisdom of experience.
>>
>
> I canna believe how easy it was to get off topic and so quickly, too.
> Nobody really answered the question.
>
> A working dog, like a working machine, is 7 years MACRS.
>
> And they are beautiful to watch when they are working. Some years ago
> on one of our many trips to Scotland we had traveled up this valley and
> when the road ran out, was returning down to the main road when suddenly
> we were stymied because the local farmer was bringing his sheep back
> home that night. The three collies were a joy to watch as they knew
> exactly how to herd the sheep and keep them focused on the way home.
> Of course that was what's known as the 5 O'clock highland traffic jamb,
> and we patiently followed behind them.
>
> BTW, the second word beginning my response is Scottish for "can not".
> And it's happy hour here in Dixie, and I'll drink that that!
>
> Slainte!
>
> Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
>
Thanks to all that responded, and to you, Harlan, for your
decisive answer and your eloquent comments. Were going with
the 7 years MACRS, though it's hard to reduce this dog to
numbers on paper after seeing him at work in the fields.

Paul T (newly settled in Geneva County, AL from just across
the state line in FL.)

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Posted by Mark Bole on March 19, 2008, 10:22 pm
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
> Paultry wrote:
>>
>> I'm not concerned with how the seller treats the transaction [...]
[...]
>> We believe the costs of acquiring, training, and maintaining the dog
>> are ordinary and necessary farm expenses.

Paultry wrote:
> Taxpayer is a sheep farmer,

Is the taxpayer subject to Uniform Capitalization rules for farmers?
Probably not from what I read...

[...]
> I canna believe how easy it was to get off topic and so quickly, too.
> Nobody really answered the question.

Believe it! cheers....

-Mark Bole

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Posted by Una on March 19, 2008, 10:34 pm
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7 years worklife is about right for a dog.

        Una

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Posted by tobe on March 19, 2008, 2:55 pm
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Paultry wrote:
> Taxpayer is a sheep farmer, previously herded sheep (pasture to barn,
> between pastures, etc) on his ATV. Depreciation rules discuss livestock but
not
> working dogs. I researched some old discussions in this group that
> mention guard dogs but not herding dogs. I'm thinking the dog would be
> 7-year property either as agricultural machinery or equipment, or as
> property not in any other class.

See the discussions at:
http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion:Dog_breeding_depreciation
http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion:Do_you_depreciate_animals_kept_for_breeding_business%3F

HTH

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