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Do I have to file Partnership K-1 ? vc6vc6 01-18-2008
Posted by vc6vc6 on January 18, 2008, 7:36 pm
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or can I continue using schedule C?

Here is my situation:

I established a single-member LLC in 2006.

In August 2007 I signed (as the duly authorized agent of the LLC) an
agreement with a foreign (i.e. non-US) startup: In exchange for my
professional services, I will receive 10% of the stocks of that
company. This is an addition for a certain monthly payment for my
services.

Currently, no profits (or any other income other than small
investments) have been generated by that other foreign (non-US)
company. Thus, the entire "ownership" of that other company is
somewhat theoretical (i.e. on paper - no income made yet).

My question is: should the stocks that my LLC currently owns (of that
other company) be treated as "capital" (as in "capital gain")? Or do I
have to file Partnership K-1?

I know that this calls for hiring a CPA but currently I haven't made
enough income and I have been able to manage by filing Schedule C all
by myself... If no partnership K-1 is required then I can continue in
that mode until livable income starts flowing in.

Should K-1 partnership be filed from the year that partnership was
conceived? Or only from the year that partnership resulted in any
income?

Thanks,
Victor

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Posted by vc6vc6 on January 20, 2008, 8:46 pm
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> or can I continue using schedule C?
>
> Here is my situation:
>
> I established a single-member LLC in 2006.
>
> In August 2007 I signed (as the duly authorized agent of the LLC) an
> agreement with a foreign (i.e. non-US) startup: In exchange for my
> professional services, I will receive 10% of the stocks of that
> company. This is an addition for a certain monthly payment for my
> services.
>
> Currently, no profits (or any other income other than small
> investments) have been generated by that other foreign (non-US)
> company. Thus, the entire "ownership" of that other company is
> somewhat theoretical (i.e. on paper - no income made yet).
>
> My question is: should the stocks that my LLC currently owns (of that
> other company) be treated as "capital" (as in "capital gain")? Or do I
> have to file Partnership K-1?
>
> I know that this calls for hiring a CPA but currently I haven't made
> enough income and I have been able to manage by filing Schedule C all
> by myself... If no partnership K-1 is required then I can continue in
> that mode until livable income starts flowing in.
>
> Should K-1 partnership be filed from the year that partnership was
> conceived? Or only from the year that partnership resulted in any
> income?
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
>

No one has an answer? Or have I asked the question incorrectly? If the
latter, please guide me so that I can provide additional information
that may be needed to answer my question - or at least give me a
direction in which I can further study the subject. Eventually I will
pay a CPA to give me an authorized answer, but due to insufficient
income this year, I am trying to learn as much as possible up front,
to minimize the amount the CPA will charge.

Thanks,
Victor

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Posted by Bill Brown on January 21, 2008, 12:48 am
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>
>
>
>
>
> > or can I continue using schedule C?
>
> > Here is my situation:
>
> > I established a single-member LLC in 2006.
>
> > In August 2007 I signed (as the duly authorized agent of the LLC) an
> > agreement with a foreign (i.e. non-US) startup: In exchange for my
> > professional services, I will receive 10% of the stocks of that
> > company. This is an addition for a certain monthly payment for my
> > services.
>
> > Currently, no profits (or any other income other than small
> > investments) have been generated by that other foreign (non-US)
> > company. Thus, the entire "ownership" of that other company is
> > somewhat theoretical (i.e. on paper - no income made yet).
>
> > My question is: should the stocks that my LLC currently owns (of that
> > other company) be treated as "capital" (as in "capital gain")? Or do I
> > have to file Partnership K-1?
>
> > I know that this calls for hiring a CPA but currently I haven't made
> > enough income and I have been able to manage by filing Schedule C all
> > by myself... If no partnership K-1 is required then I can continue in
> > that mode until livable income starts flowing in.
>
> > Should K-1 partnership be filed from the year that partnership was
> > conceived? Or only from the year that partnership resulted in any
> > income?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Victor
>
> No one has an answer? Or have I asked the question incorrectly? If the
> latter, please guide me so that I can provide additional information
> that may be needed to answer my question - or at least give me a
> direction in which I can further study the subject. Eventually I will
> pay a CPA to give me an authorized answer, but due to insufficient
> income this year, I am trying to learn as much as possible up front,
> to minimize the amount the CPA will charge.
>

Partnerships file Forms 1065 and the related Schedules K-1. A single
member LLC is not a partnership. It is disregarded for federal tax
purposes unless it elects to be taxed as a corporation.

The fair market value of the shares is reported as income on your
Schedule C. That income amount becomes your basis in the shares.

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Posted by Katie on January 21, 2008, 5:29 pm
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>
>
>
>
>
> > or can I continue using schedule C?
>
> > Here is my situation:
>
> > I established a single-member LLC in 2006.
>
> > In August 2007 I signed (as the duly authorized agent of the LLC) an
> > agreement with a foreign (i.e. non-US) startup: In exchange for my
> > professional services, I will receive 10% of the stocks of that
> > company. This is an addition for a certain monthly payment for my
> > services.
>
> > Currently, no profits (or any other income other than small
> > investments) have been generated by that other foreign (non-US)
> > company. Thus, the entire "ownership" of that other company is
> > somewhat theoretical (i.e. on paper - no income made yet).
>
> > My question is: should the stocks that my LLC currently owns (of that
> > other company) be treated as "capital" (as in "capital gain")? Or do I
> > have to file Partnership K-1?
>
> > I know that this calls for hiring a CPA but currently I haven't made
> > enough income and I have been able to manage by filing Schedule C all
> > by myself... If no partnership K-1 is required then I can continue in
> > that mode until livable income starts flowing in.
>
> > Should K-1 partnership be filed from the year that partnership was
> > conceived? Or only from the year that partnership resulted in any
> > income?
>


Agreeing with Bill ... you have not formed a partnership with the
other company, as you have described the transaction. Your LLC has
agreed to perform services for the other company (your customer) and
accept shares in that company as part of your payment. The FMV of the
shares you received (at the time of receipt with no restriction on
your sale or other disposition of them, or if there are restrictions,
at the time those restrictions are removed or expire) is ordinary
income to you, reportable as gross receipts on your Schedule C. As
Bill says, that amount will be your basis in the shares for
calculating capital gain or loss when you dispose of them. If the
shares had no FMV when you received them, your income is zero and your
basis in them is zero.

The foregoing assumes that the "other company" is a corporation, or
would be a corporation under U.S. law. If the "other company" is a
flowthrough entity, analogous to a U.S. LLC, then you may have
flowthrough income from that entity and IT needs to issue YOU a K-1 or
the equivalent.

Katie in San Diego

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Posted by taxxcpa on February 4, 2008, 4:26 pm
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Katie wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> or can I continue using schedule C?
>>> Here is my situation:
>>> I established a single-member LLC in 2006.
>>> In August 2007 I signed (as the duly authorized agent of the LLC) an
>>> agreement with a foreign (i.e. non-US) startup: In exchange for my
>>> professional services, I will receive 10% of the stocks of that
>>> company. This is an addition for a certain monthly payment for my
>>> services.
>>> Currently, no profits (or any other income other than small
>>> investments) have been generated by that other foreign (non-US)
>>> company. Thus, the entire "ownership" of that other company is
>>> somewhat theoretical (i.e. on paper - no income made yet).
>>> My question is: should the stocks that my LLC currently owns (of that
>>> other company) be treated as "capital" (as in "capital gain")? Or do I
>>> have to file Partnership K-1?
>>> I know that this calls for hiring a CPA but currently I haven't made
>>> enough income and I have been able to manage by filing Schedule C all
>>> by myself... If no partnership K-1 is required then I can continue in
>>> that mode until livable income starts flowing in.
>>> Should K-1 partnership be filed from the year that partnership was
>>> conceived? Or only from the year that partnership resulted in any
>>> income?
>
>
> Agreeing with Bill ... you have not formed a partnership with the
> other company, as you have described the transaction. Your LLC has
> agreed to perform services for the other company (your customer) and
> accept shares in that company as part of your payment. The FMV of the
> shares you received (at the time of receipt with no restriction on
> your sale or other disposition of them, or if there are restrictions,
> at the time those restrictions are removed or expire) is ordinary
> income to you, reportable as gross receipts on your Schedule C. As
> Bill says, that amount will be your basis in the shares for
> calculating capital gain or loss when you dispose of them. If the
> shares had no FMV when you received them, your income is zero and your
> basis in them is zero.
>
> The foregoing assumes that the "other company" is a corporation, or
> would be a corporation under U.S. law. If the "other company" is a
> flowthrough entity, analogous to a U.S. LLC, then you may have
> flowthrough income from that entity and IT needs to issue YOU a K-1 or
> the equivalent.
>
> Katie in San Diego
>
If you formed a single-member LLC you do not need to file a partnership
return or any K-1s. You can report your income and expenses on Schedule C.

A single-member LLC is a disregarded entity for tax purposes.

As others have advised, the value of the stock received would be income
if there are no restrictions at the time of receipt.

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