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Does a tax credit affect my basis? Ted 11-10-2006
Posted by Ted on November 17, 2006, 1:19 am
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> Ted wrote:
>>> Ted wrote:

>>>> I owned stock in a small company that is no longer. When I
>>>> invested, NYS was kind enough to give a 20% tax credit.
>>>>
>>>> Is my basis what I invested, or 80% of what I invested?
>>>> If I recall correctly, the tax credit was treated as income
>>>> for the Federal Tax return, so I don't see why it should
>>>> reduce my loss now; but you never know...

>>> I'm assuming this was the credit for capital contributions
>>> to emerging technology companies (NYTL Sec. 606(r)).
>>>
>>> The credit provision doesn't require you to reduce your
>>> basis in the stock, but it does recapture the credit to the
>>> extent you held the stock less than 108 months (9 years)
>>> after the close of the tax year in which you acquired the
>>> stock. The recapture is proportionate to the time the stock
>>> was held.
>>>
>>> In general, state tax credits are not taxable income for
>>> federal income tax purposes. While the basis of property
>>> that is eligible for certain federal credits is reduced by
>>> the amount of the credit, those reductions are not effective
>>> for state income tax purposes. Similarly, tax credits
>>> allowed by states may reduce the basis of the property for
>>> state income tax purposes, but do not affect the federal
>>> basis. I don't know why the credit would have been included
>>> in your federal taxable income in the year you purchased the
>>> stock, but whether it was or not, I don't believe it has any
>>> effect on your basis in the stock for federal purposes.

>> That is correct, a QETC.
>> So you are telling me it reduces the basis for my NYS
>> return, but not for my Federal return; right?
>>
>> The company only lasted 6 years. Do I lose part of the
>> credit? Doesn't seem fair, since I never sold it; but the
>> law isn't always fair.
>>
>> I will have to look up my old tax return, maybe my
>> recollection is wrong.

> No, it isn't a basis reduction for NYS purposes; it's a
> partial recapture of the credit. In other words, you'd
> calculate the Schedule D loss the same as federal, but you'd
> have an ordinary income addition in the amount of the
> recaptured credit.

I understand; but suppose I invested $100,000 and got a
$20,000 credit. My federal basis is $100,000; but is my
state basis $100k or $80k?

> However, if you still own the stock, and are just writing it
> off because it has become worthless, I'm not sure the credit
> recapture applies. I'd have to look into that a little
> farther.

yes, I still own the stock. The text on the NY is
ambiguous, at least to me!

Thanks much

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Posted by Katie on November 26, 2006, 10:54 am
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Ted wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>>>> Ted wrote:

>>>>> I owned stock in a small company that is no longer. When I
>>>>> invested, NYS was kind enough to give a 20% tax credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is my basis what I invested, or 80% of what I invested?
>>>>> If I recall correctly, the tax credit was treated as income
>>>>> for the Federal Tax return, so I don't see why it should
>>>>> reduce my loss now; but you never know...

>>>> I'm assuming this was the credit for capital contributions
>>>> to emerging technology companies (NYTL Sec. 606(r)).
>>>>
>>>> The credit provision doesn't require you to reduce your
>>>> basis in the stock, but it does recapture the credit to the
>>>> extent you held the stock less than 108 months (9 years)
>>>> after the close of the tax year in which you acquired the
>>>> stock. The recapture is proportionate to the time the stock
>>>> was held.
>>>>
>>>> In general, state tax credits are not taxable income for
>>>> federal income tax purposes. While the basis of property
>>>> that is eligible for certain federal credits is reduced by
>>>> the amount of the credit, those reductions are not effective
>>>> for state income tax purposes. Similarly, tax credits
>>>> allowed by states may reduce the basis of the property for
>>>> state income tax purposes, but do not affect the federal
>>>> basis. I don't know why the credit would have been included
>>>> in your federal taxable income in the year you purchased the
>>>> stock, but whether it was or not, I don't believe it has any
>>>> effect on your basis in the stock for federal purposes.

>>> That is correct, a QETC.
>>> So you are telling me it reduces the basis for my NYS
>>> return, but not for my Federal return; right?
>>>
>>> The company only lasted 6 years. Do I lose part of the
>>> credit? Doesn't seem fair, since I never sold it; but the
>>> law isn't always fair.
>>>
>>> I will have to look up my old tax return, maybe my
>>> recollection is wrong.

>> No, it isn't a basis reduction for NYS purposes; it's a
>> partial recapture of the credit. In other words, you'd
>> calculate the Schedule D loss the same as federal, but you'd
>> have an ordinary income addition in the amount of the
>> recaptured credit.

> I understand; but suppose I invested $100,000 and got a
> $20,000 credit. My federal basis is $100,000; but is my
> state basis $100k or $80k?

>> However, if you still own the stock, and are just writing it
>> off because it has become worthless, I'm not sure the credit
>> recapture applies. I'd have to look into that a little
>> farther.

> yes, I still own the stock. The text on the NY is
> ambiguous, at least to me!

See NY TSB-M-00(2)(I), 9/27/2000

There is no basis adjustment for the credit. Your state
basis in the stock is $100,000.

If you sold, transferred, or otherwise disposed of the stock
more than 48 months (4 years) but not more than 72 months (6
years) after the close of the year when the credit was
allowed, you would be required to add to your tax liability
for the year of disposition 60% of the credit, or $12,000.
If the disposition occurred more than 72 months but not more
than 96 months after the close of the year when the credit
was allowed, you would be required to add to your tax
liability for the year of disposition 40% of the credit, or
$8,000.

Since you did not sell, transfer or otherwise dispose of
your stock, I can find nothing in the law or in the TSB that
requires the recapture of any part of the credit.

Katie in San Diego

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Posted by Ted on November 27, 2006, 8:08 am
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> Ted wrote:
>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>> Ted wrote:

>>>>>> I owned stock in a small company that is no longer. When I
>>>>>> invested, NYS was kind enough to give a 20% tax credit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is my basis what I invested, or 80% of what I invested?
>>>>>> If I recall correctly, the tax credit was treated as income
>>>>>> for the Federal Tax return, so I don't see why it should
>>>>>> reduce my loss now; but you never know...

>>>>> I'm assuming this was the credit for capital contributions
>>>>> to emerging technology companies (NYTL Sec. 606(r)).
>>>>>
>>>>> The credit provision doesn't require you to reduce your
>>>>> basis in the stock, but it does recapture the credit to the
>>>>> extent you held the stock less than 108 months (9 years)
>>>>> after the close of the tax year in which you acquired the
>>>>> stock. The recapture is proportionate to the time the stock
>>>>> was held.
>>>>>
>>>>> In general, state tax credits are not taxable income for
>>>>> federal income tax purposes. While the basis of property
>>>>> that is eligible for certain federal credits is reduced by
>>>>> the amount of the credit, those reductions are not effective
>>>>> for state income tax purposes. Similarly, tax credits
>>>>> allowed by states may reduce the basis of the property for
>>>>> state income tax purposes, but do not affect the federal
>>>>> basis. I don't know why the credit would have been included
>>>>> in your federal taxable income in the year you purchased the
>>>>> stock, but whether it was or not, I don't believe it has any
>>>>> effect on your basis in the stock for federal purposes.

>>>> That is correct, a QETC.
>>>> So you are telling me it reduces the basis for my NYS
>>>> return, but not for my Federal return; right?
>>>>
>>>> The company only lasted 6 years. Do I lose part of the
>>>> credit? Doesn't seem fair, since I never sold it; but the
>>>> law isn't always fair.
>>>>
>>>> I will have to look up my old tax return, maybe my
>>>> recollection is wrong.

>>> No, it isn't a basis reduction for NYS purposes; it's a
>>> partial recapture of the credit. In other words, you'd
>>> calculate the Schedule D loss the same as federal, but you'd
>>> have an ordinary income addition in the amount of the
>>> recaptured credit.

>> I understand; but suppose I invested $100,000 and got a
>> $20,000 credit. My federal basis is $100,000; but is my
>> state basis $100k or $80k?

>>> However, if you still own the stock, and are just writing it
>>> off because it has become worthless, I'm not sure the credit
>>> recapture applies. I'd have to look into that a little
>>> farther.

>> yes, I still own the stock. The text on the NY is
>> ambiguous, at least to me!

> See NY TSB-M-00(2)(I), 9/27/2000
>
> There is no basis adjustment for the credit. Your state
> basis in the stock is $100,000.
>
> If you sold, transferred, or otherwise disposed of the stock
> more than 48 months (4 years) but not more than 72 months (6
> years) after the close of the year when the credit was
> allowed, you would be required to add to your tax liability
> for the year of disposition 60% of the credit, or $12,000.
> If the disposition occurred more than 72 months but not more
> than 96 months after the close of the year when the credit
> was allowed, you would be required to add to your tax
> liability for the year of disposition 40% of the credit, or
> $8,000.
>
> Since you did not sell, transfer or otherwise dispose of
> your stock, I can find nothing in the law or in the TSB that
> requires the recapture of any part of the credit.
>
> Katie in San Diego

Thanks much

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Posted by Katie on November 30, 2006, 1:22 am
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Ted wrote:

> Thanks much

To be on the safe side, I'd suggest you call the NY
Department of Revenue and ask whether any recapture will be
required. Make sure they understand that you still hold the
stock and are writing off the investment only because it has
become worthless.

Katie in San Diego

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