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Does our company qualify the section 199 - Domestic Production Deduction? anngao@gmail.com 01-21-2007
Posted by anngao@gmail.com on January 21, 2007, 4:18 pm
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Our company is a manufacturer of printing products such as
business card and all of our plants are in the US. I joined
a CPE seminar last week and I found the section 199
regarding the domestic production deduction.

Could anybody let me know if our company will qualify the
sec. 199 and the deduction? Thanks so much.

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on January 23, 2007, 2:04 am
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> Our company is a manufacturer of printing products such as
> business card and all of our plants are in the US. I joined
> a CPE seminar last week and I found the section 199
> regarding the domestic production deduction.
>
> Could anybody let me know if our company will qualify the
> sec. 199 and the deduction? Thanks so much.

It sounds like you will have - or may have - split income,
from manufacturing as well as services. Much like McDonalds
isn't manufacturing hamburgers for it's customers, it's hard
to look at printing business cards as a manufacturing
activity. That being said, there probably are many products
you do manufacture, even if they have additional service
processing like specialty printing, so segregating the
income by source could generate some tax break. Starbucks
would have to do this, if they manufacture their own beans
and grind for sale, as well as sell brewed coffee (a
service).

This is new enough that you'll have to make a lot of
judgment calls and tweak it along the line as you hear of
regulations and court cases that favor you, as well as those
that do not.

--
Paul Thomas, CPA
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net

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Posted by Harlan Lunsford on January 24, 2007, 1:56 am
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:

>> Our company is a manufacturer of printing products such as
>> business card and all of our plants are in the US. I joined
>> a CPE seminar last week and I found the section 199
>> regarding the domestic production deduction.
>>
>> Could anybody let me know if our company will qualify the
>> sec. 199 and the deduction? Thanks so much.

> It sounds like you will have - or may have - split income,
> from manufacturing as well as services. Much like McDonalds
> isn't manufacturing hamburgers for it's customers, it's hard
> to look at printing business cards as a manufacturing
> activity. That being said, there probably are many products
> you do manufacture, even if they have additional service
> processing like specialty printing, so segregating the
> income by source could generate some tax break. Starbucks
> would have to do this, if they manufacture their own beans
> and grind for sale, as well as sell brewed coffee (a
> service).
>
> This is new enough that you'll have to make a lot of
> judgment calls and tweak it along the line as you hear of
> regulations and court cases that favor you, as well as those
> that do not.

Now what kind of "services" would a printing manufacturer
provide that are not built into the price of the products
sold? Unless the company also provides design services I
would say all activities are domestic production activities.

A similar question came up elsewhere, the questioner wanting
to know whether or not to send a 1099-misc to the printer
since what he bought were "custom" printed. One factor I
mentioned there and perhaps would pertain here is whether or
not sales tax is applied on all invoices.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on January 25, 2007, 2:24 am
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> Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:

>>> Our company is a manufacturer of printing products such as
>>> business card and all of our plants are in the US. I joined
>>> a CPE seminar last week and I found the section 199
>>> regarding the domestic production deduction.
>>>
>>> Could anybody let me know if our company will qualify the
>>> sec. 199 and the deduction? Thanks so much.

>> It sounds like you will have - or may have - split income,
>> from manufacturing as well as services. Much like McDonalds
>> isn't manufacturing hamburgers for it's customers, it's hard
>> to look at printing business cards as a manufacturing
>> activity. That being said, there probably are many products
>> you do manufacture, even if they have additional service
>> processing like specialty printing, so segregating the
>> income by source could generate some tax break. Starbucks
>> would have to do this, if they manufacture their own beans
>> and grind for sale, as well as sell brewed coffee (a
>> service).
>>
>> This is new enough that you'll have to make a lot of
>> judgment calls and tweak it along the line as you hear of
>> regulations and court cases that favor you, as well as those
>> that do not.

> Now what kind of "services" would a printing manufacturer
> provide that are not built into the price of the products
> sold? Unless the company also provides design services I
> would say all activities are domestic production activities.
>
> A similar question came up elsewhere, the questioner wanting
> to know whether or not to send a 1099-misc to the printer
> since what he bought were "custom" printed. One factor I
> mentioned there and perhaps would pertain here is whether or
> not sales tax is applied on all invoices.

Are you implying that the retail store in the mall, that
will custom embroider the shirt you pull from the rack is a
manufacturer for the credit?

Kinkos doesn't qualify for the manufacturing credit on a
huge part of their income. But there may be something they
do that qualifies as domestic manufacturing. The
applicability of sales tax to the bill is not any indication
of a manufacturing activity.

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Paul Thomas, CPA
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net

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Posted by Harlan Lunsford on January 26, 2007, 4:42 am
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
>> Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:

>>>> Our company is a manufacturer of printing products such as
>>>> business card and all of our plants are in the US. I joined
>>>> a CPE seminar last week and I found the section 199
>>>> regarding the domestic production deduction.
>>>>
>>>> Could anybody let me know if our company will qualify the
>>>> sec. 199 and the deduction? Thanks so much.

>>> It sounds like you will have - or may have - split income,
>>> from manufacturing as well as services. Much like McDonalds
>>> isn't manufacturing hamburgers for it's customers, it's hard
>>> to look at printing business cards as a manufacturing
>>> activity. That being said, there probably are many products
>>> you do manufacture, even if they have additional service
>>> processing like specialty printing, so segregating the
>>> income by source could generate some tax break. Starbucks
>>> would have to do this, if they manufacture their own beans
>>> and grind for sale, as well as sell brewed coffee (a
>>> service).
>>>
>>> This is new enough that you'll have to make a lot of
>>> judgment calls and tweak it along the line as you hear of
>>> regulations and court cases that favor you, as well as those
>>> that do not.

>> Now what kind of "services" would a printing manufacturer
>> provide that are not built into the price of the products
>> sold? Unless the company also provides design services I
>> would say all activities are domestic production activities.
>>
>> A similar question came up elsewhere, the questioner wanting
>> to know whether or not to send a 1099-misc to the printer
>> since what he bought were "custom" printed. One factor I
>> mentioned there and perhaps would pertain here is whether or
>> not sales tax is applied on all invoices.

> Are you implying that the retail store in the mall, that
> will custom embroider the shirt you pull from the rack is a
> manufacturer for the credit?

Nope. Because the shirt is already manufacturer and this
embroidering is a service. Although I just bet you store
will charge sales tax on it; and everything of course.

> Kinkos doesn't qualify for the manufacturing credit on a
> huge part of their income. But there may be something they
> do that qualifies as domestic manufacturing. The
> applicability of sales tax to the bill is not any indication
> of a manufacturing activity.

We agree then, to disagree. Sales tax being charged is not
THE only indicator I admit, but one factor in several
perhaps.

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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