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Estate Taxes blaha 04-03-2008
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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on April 11, 2008, 12:31 am
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>>>> One sale is not fair market value. How do you know the eBay
>>>> seller isn't desperate for cash? How do you know
>
> Just had to jump in. EBAY ss not the place to look for Fair
> Market Value in books. d a Google for ABE books, you might be
> surprised. Our Friends of the Library uses it to sell hundreds of
> books per month.

The Abe book site is a great one for buying books. But they list many
copies of the same book, often at a wide range of prices. I'm not aware
that you can look at what the actual sales are for those books.

On eBay, however, you can apparently see the actual results of past
sales.

Stu

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Posted by Seth on April 12, 2008, 2:02 am
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>Just had to jump in. EBAY ss not the place to look for Fair Market Value in
>books. d a Google for ABE books, you might be surprised. Our Friends
>of the Library uses it to sell hundreds of books per month.
>
>No auction just buying and selling at what ever the market will bear,

Except there's no evidence of actual sales. All we see are the ask
side.

A dealer has had several of my books listed for a year, without
sales. Does that make his asking price FMV?

Seth

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on April 5, 2008, 12:16 pm
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> blaha@triad.rr.com wrote:
> ...
>> Your right - it may not be worth getting into it with the
>> appraiser. We are over the exclusion limit, so ther will be a tax
>> bill to pay. To that extent, there is a desire to reduce the tax
>> bill, but it's a smuch the principle of the situation as anything
>> else. I've got a set of Civil War books, the appraiser says is
>> worth $1500. I can see the same set on eBay for $250.
> ...
> Don't see why you're hostage to the appraiser if you have valid
> other data (how comparable the eBay listings are to what you have
> would be at least one question as previously noted), but he has an
> opinion; you have an opinion.

OP doesn't, as I recall, explain where this appraiser came from. In
California estates in probate are required to be appraised by someone
known as a "probate referee." Many if not most of these referees are
not appraisers, and really don't know what they're doing. If you want
an appraisal for tax purposes, you should get a qualified appraiser.

> The executor should be able to decide whose data to use in
> compiling the information for the estate return--don't see there's
> any reason you would have to use the appraiser's figures alone.

If push comes to shove the issue will be demonstrating sufficient
evidence to support your value. If you have seen the same thing (in
about the same condition) actually sell at eBay for a specific price, I
suspect that might be sufficient. But if there were five and four sold
at a much higher price, you could have a problem.

Stu

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Posted by dpb on April 5, 2008, 5:47 pm
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Stuart Bronstein wrote:
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>> Don't see why you're hostage to the appraiser if you have valid
>> other data (how comparable the eBay listings are to what you have
>> would be at least one question as previously noted), but he has an
>> opinion; you have an opinion.
>
> OP doesn't, as I recall, explain where this appraiser came from. In
> California estates in probate are required to be appraised by someone
> known as a "probate referee." Many if not most of these referees are
> not appraisers, and really don't know what they're doing. If you want
> an appraisal for tax purposes, you should get a qualified appraiser.

Yeah, should have noted that I was referring only to experience in a
state in which they don't have such requirements -- it's only got to be
reasonable-enough that it passes the muster of the probate judge as not
being obviously falsified.

>> The executor should be able to decide whose data to use in
>> compiling the information for the estate return--don't see there's
>> any reason you would have to use the appraiser's figures alone.
>
> If push comes to shove the issue will be demonstrating sufficient
> evidence to support your value. If you have seen the same thing (in
> about the same condition) actually sell at eBay for a specific price, I
> suspect that might be sufficient. But if there were five and four sold
> at a much higher price, you could have a problem.

Yeah, it would require whatever level of proof required for the
jurisdiction -- an outlier would undoubtedly weaken the case.

It still seems unlikely to me there would be very many of something that
was of actual real value on sale on eBay, anyway...but, I guess that
isn't necessarily so--I've bought some moderately expensive heavy
equipment that way, but never even look at collectibles so that's out of
my knowledge base.

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 4, 2008, 10:14 pm
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On Apr 4, 1:29 pm, bl...@triad.rr.com wrote:

> I've got a set
> of Civil War books, the appraiser says is worth $1500. I can see the
> same set on eBay for $250.

Save that page in your records, maybe even print it out as HTML pages
saved to your disk don't always display correctly, if you want to use
the lower appraisal value. Also, why not talk to your appraiser about
it? If I'm not mistaken, the fees you pay to appraise are deductible
from the estate, so I'm wondering if you don't use his/her appraisals
for all items, then do you still get to deduct the appraisal fee.

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