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Estimated Tax Forms jack 10-12-2008
Posted by jack on October 12, 2008, 12:39 pm
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In a post a couple down I stupidly said vouchers when I meant estimated tax
forms. Sorry.

I know they don't send them to anyone who filed electronically.
But if you used a professional who filed paper, do they send you one?

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Posted by ed on October 12, 2008, 4:27 pm
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> In a post a couple down I stupidly said vouchers when I meant estimated tax
> forms.  Sorry.
>
> I know they don't send them to anyone who filed electronically.
> But if you used a professional who filed paper, do they send you one?

You can get 1040ES instsructions and vouchers at www.irs.gov

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Posted by Bill on October 13, 2008, 10:14 am
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>>In a post a couple down I stupidly said
>>vouchers when I meant estimated tax forms.
>> Sorry.
>>I know they don't send them to anyone who
>>filed electronically. But if you used a
>>professional who filed paper, do they send
>>you one?

>You can get 1040ES instsructions and
>vouchers at www.irs.gov

Ed gave you the practical answer.

The specific answer to your last question, "if you used a professional
who filed paper ..." is that the very fact you've used a professional
suggests you will do so again for your next return. Since the
professional has access to all necessary forms, the IRS saves money by
not bothering to send you _anything_ which you might need to file.

(In a sense, it can be seen as professional courtesy: i.e., the IRS
doesn't want to seem to be "poaching" by suggesting you could have a
direct relationship with them, since you have already demonstrated you
have a business arrangement with someone else -- and especially since
that someone is generally acting as an _agent_ in support of the IRS.)

Bill

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on October 13, 2008, 11:32 am
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> (In a sense, it can be seen as professional courtesy: i.e., the IRS
> doesn't want to seem to be "poaching" by suggesting you could have a
> direct relationship with them, since you have already demonstrated you
> have a business arrangement with someone else -- and especially since
> that someone is generally acting as an _agent_ in support of the IRS.)





Wait a minute. I surely don't consider myself "an _agent_ in support of the
IRS".

I am an advocate for my client, within the boundaries of the law. My client
pays me, not the IRS. My client expects me to do what's right by them,
meaning that they expect me to keep their tax bill as low as possible given
the law and the information they provide to me.



As far as the IRS not sending forms to taxpayer who use a professional tax
preparer, I would think that in addition to the cost savings, it reduces
much confusion on the part of the taxpayer who gets these blank forms and
calls 1) the IRS, 2) the tax preparer or most likely 3) both.







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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Posted by Bill on October 13, 2008, 3:00 pm
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paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net (Paul Thomas, CPA) posted:

>wrote

>>(In a sense, it can be seen as professional
>>courtesy: i.e., the IRS doesn't want to seem
>>to be "poaching" by suggesting you could
>>have a direct relationship with them, since
>>you have already demonstrated you have a
>>business arrangement with someone else --
>>and especially since that someone is
>>generally acting as an _agent_ in support of
>>the IRS.)

>Wait a minute. I surely don't consider myself
>"an _agent_ in support of the IRS".

>I am an advocate for my client, within the
>boundaries of the law. My client pays me, not
>the IRS. My client expects me to do what's
>right by them, meaning that they expect me to
>keep their tax bill as low as possible given the
>law and the information they provide to me.

Indeed, I agree as to your function and your allegiance. But (and maybe
I should have added this) _in the mind of the IRS_, you are "generally"
acting as an _agent_, since you assist taxpayers in complying with
filing requirements.

FWIW, I'm a volunteer preparer with TaxAide, and I certainly feel my
commitment is to assist the folks who come to me for help, but I also
know the IRS considers all TaxAide people as "instruments of their
purpose" to ensure full and faithful compliance with their regulations.

I know that, because IRS instructors have stated as much. That's why
they support us with training and materials.

Bill

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