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Estimated tax after a refund?! Andrey Tarasevich 04-17-2006
  `--> ` Harlan Lunsford04-20-2006
Posted by Andrey Tarasevich on April 17, 2006, 12:35 pm
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I recently finished preparing my taxes using TurboTax
online. I get a federal refund of about $1200 for 2005.
However, TurboTax prepared quarterly estimated tax vouchers
for 2006, according to which I have to pay about $2000 of
estimated tax every quarter (!!!). I didn't pay any
estimated taxes in 2005. How is that possible that I have to
pay it in 2006??? Moreover, about $8000 seems to be an
overkill. This doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be
some kind of glitch in TurboTax? I don't expect anything to
change in 2006, i.e. I'd again expect the same federal
refund in 2006 without paying any estimated taxes in
advance. Why on Earth could TurboTax decide that I have to
do it? And how mandatory is it under these circumstances?

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Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on April 17, 2006, 10:35 pm
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> I recently finished preparing my taxes using TurboTax
> online. I get a federal refund of about $1200 for 2005.
> However, TurboTax prepared quarterly estimated tax vouchers
> for 2006, according to which I have to pay about $2000 of
> estimated tax every quarter (!!!). I didn't pay any
> estimated taxes in 2005. How is that possible that I have to
> pay it in 2006??? Moreover, about $8000 seems to be an
> overkill. This doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be
> some kind of glitch in TurboTax? I don't expect anything to
> change in 2006, i.e. I'd again expect the same federal
> refund in 2006 without paying any estimated taxes in
> advance. Why on Earth could TurboTax decide that I have to
> do it? And how mandatory is it under these circumstances?

You must have told the program something for it to believe
that you will need to make estimated tax payments.

But, the software isn't the law, nor is it the government.
So, feel free to not pay what the software recommends if you
are confident that there will not be any additional income
or reduction of expenses / deductions in 2006.

No one in the government is going to know that you are not
making estimates, or even know that your software suggested
that you make them.

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Paul Thomas, CPA
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net

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Posted by Ernie Klein on April 19, 2006, 12:18 am
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>> I recently finished preparing my taxes using TurboTax
>> online. I get a federal refund of about $1200 for 2005.
>> However, TurboTax prepared quarterly estimated tax vouchers
>> for 2006, according to which I have to pay about $2000 of
>> estimated tax every quarter (!!!). I didn't pay any
>> estimated taxes in 2005. How is that possible that I have to
>> pay it in 2006??? Moreover, about $8000 seems to be an
>> overkill. This doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be
>> some kind of glitch in TurboTax? I don't expect anything to
>> change in 2006, i.e. I'd again expect the same federal
>> refund in 2006 without paying any estimated taxes in
>> advance. Why on Earth could TurboTax decide that I have to
>> do it? And how mandatory is it under these circumstances?

> You must have told the program something for it to believe
> that you will need to make estimated tax payments.

I don't know if that is the case. I have been using TT
forever (_not_ the online version though). This year my
taxes ran OK, my daughter #1 return ran OK, but for some
reason daughter #2 return insisted on printing estimated
state (not federal) vouchers for $83/quarter even thought
she was to receive a (very) small state refund.

I double and triple checked the numbers and the sanity of
the numbers on the return and all were good. I don't know
why or what triggered TT to print those estimated tax
vouchers, but since the return itself was OK, I don't intend
to spend any time or effort to figure out the source of the
glitch since I am done with taxes for this year. I will
merely note that it occurred.

> But, the software isn't the law, nor is it the government.
> So, feel free to not pay what the software recommends if you
> are confident that there will not be any additional income
> or reduction of expenses / deductions in 2006.

That is true of course, but when the software prints out
totally unexpected and clearly incorrect estimated tax
vouchers, one cannot wonder if there is an error somewhere
on the return that caused the vouchers to print, or a
software error that may cause other incorrect calculations
on the return.

I for one don't like to ignore unexpected output from
software -- it may result in errors that effect more than
just the printing of the unexpected forms. However in my
case, the input was fine. It appears to be a minor software
issue.

Like I said, I don't use the online version but I would
guess that they are both based on the same engine.

--
-Ernie-

"There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have
suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."

Have you done your backup today?

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Posted by ed on April 17, 2006, 10:54 pm
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The "glitch" is called GIGO and hapens all the time with TT
and other tax programs. They just don't understand that
their user misintrprets their question. I would *suspect*
that you told them the amount of your withholding under
their question about what installment payments you made.

If you did not pay installments and you got a withholding
refund you *obviously* don't need their 1040 ES vouchers.
Just thow them away. The IRS isn't expecting any estimated
payments from you.

This is a strange year where if you are subject to AMT you
will most probably underwithhold if you leave everything "as
is". So, just make sure your 2006 withholding is as much as
your 2005 taxes (110% if your AGI in 2005 was over $150K),
or within 90% or $1,000 of what your actual (not estimated)
taxes will be in 2006.

ed

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Posted by Barry Margolin on April 18, 2006, 12:15 am
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> I recently finished preparing my taxes using TurboTax
> online. I get a federal refund of about $1200 for 2005.
> However, TurboTax prepared quarterly estimated tax vouchers
> for 2006, according to which I have to pay about $2000 of
> estimated tax every quarter (!!!). I didn't pay any
> estimated taxes in 2005. How is that possible that I have to
> pay it in 2006??? Moreover, about $8000 seems to be an
> overkill. This doesn't seem to make any sense. Could it be
> some kind of glitch in TurboTax? I don't expect anything to
> change in 2006, i.e. I'd again expect the same federal
> refund in 2006 without paying any estimated taxes in
> advance. Why on Earth could TurboTax decide that I have to
> do it? And how mandatory is it under these circumstances?

My guess is that you entered incorrect information about the
number of allowances you're claiming on your 2006 W-4, so it
thinks you aren't withholding enough from your paychecks.
There's probably a worksheet that shows what it has computed
as your estimated total tax and withholdings in 2006.

Also, did you have significant capital losses in 2005?
Maybe TT assumes capital gains and losses are one-time
events, so it doesn't include similar adjustments in its
2006 estimate.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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