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Help - rental real estate depreciation is driving me nuts! DenverAnon 04-08-2008
Posted by DenverAnon on April 8, 2008, 1:49 pm
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Hi,

I am trying to do my own taxes this year, after having a tax services
firm do it for me for almost 10 years. I am badly stuck at Schedule E,
line 20 Depreciation Expense. It looks like my situation is somewhat
complicated than most rental real estate.

In summary, I purchased my primary residence in 1991 and converted it
to 100% rental in1998. I sold it for a profit and exchanged it (1031
exchange) for another 100% rental in 2004.

I am somewhat daunted at the size of the IRS Publication 946 on
depreciating real assets. I am hoping someone familiar with my
situation can help me out. The tax software I am using is giving a
number that is different from what it was in the previous years.

My question simply is what is the depreciation this year?

Thanks in advance,
RT

The details:
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Purchased primary residence 04/1991
purchase price $100K
put down $20K
loan of $80K

Converted to rental Jan 1998
rental income of $12K
lost money every year due to depreciation+expenses

Sold in April 2004, sold for $215K
paid 15K in commissions
recovered $200K
paid back 50K of existing loan

Used proceeds ($150K) + took a loan of $100K
did a 1031 exchange to purchase another
residential rental for $250K

1998-2003 return on line 20, Schedule E
Depreciation Expense $3K

2004-2006 return on line 20, Schedule E
Depreciation Expense $4K

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Posted by Bill Brown on April 8, 2008, 2:00 pm
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> Hi,
>
> I am trying to do my own taxes this year, after having a tax services
> firm do it for me for almost 10 years. I am badly stuck at Schedule E,
> line 20 Depreciation Expense. It looks like my situation is somewhat
> complicated than most rental real estate.

Maybe you should go back to your professional preparer.

>
> In summary, I purchased my primary residence in 1991 and converted it
> to 100% rental in1998. I sold it for a profit and exchanged it (1031
> exchange) for another 100% rental in 2004.
>

Either you made a 1031 exchange, or you sold the old property and
bought new property -- NOT both. Which was it? Did you have control of
the proceeds from the sale of your old property? If so, you don't
qualify for 1031 treatment.

> I am somewhat daunted at the size of the IRS Publication 946 on
> depreciating real assets. I am hoping someone familiar with my
> situation can help me out. The tax software I am using is giving a
> number that is different from what it was in the previous years.
>

It should be since the acquistion cost of the new property is
different from the sales price of the old property.

> My question simply is what is the depreciation this year?
>

That depends. All else being equal, I'd go with the tax software but I
can't be sure because of my unanswered questions.

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Posted by Gil Faver on April 8, 2008, 6:25 pm
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to do my own taxes this year, after having a tax services
>> firm do it for me for almost 10 years. I am badly stuck at Schedule E,
>> line 20 Depreciation Expense. It looks like my situation is somewhat
>> complicated than most rental real estate.
>
> Maybe you should go back to your professional preparer.

Maybe you should ask your professional preparer for explaination. I am
never amussed by preparers that simply "work their magic" and keep the
taxpayer in the dark.


>
>>
>> In summary, I purchased my primary residence in 1991 and converted it
>> to 100% rental in1998. I sold it for a profit and exchanged it (1031
>> exchange) for another 100% rental in 2004.
>>
>
> Either you made a 1031 exchange, or you sold the old property and
> bought new property -- NOT both. Which was it? Did you have control of
> the proceeds from the sale of your old property? If so, you don't
> qualify for 1031 treatment.


lighten up. the property was sold, in a manner which qualified for
nonrecognition of gain under IRC 1031.


>
>> I am somewhat daunted at the size of the IRS Publication 946 on
>> depreciating real assets.

no kidding!

I am hoping someone familiar with my
>> situation can help me out. The tax software I am using is giving a
>> number that is different from what it was in the previous years.
>>
>
> It should be since the acquistion cost of the new property is
> different from the sales price of the old property.
>
>> My question simply is what is the depreciation this year?
>>
>
> That depends. All else being equal, I'd go with the tax software but I
> can't be sure because of my unanswered questions.

what number is your tax software giving you? what input data did you give
the software?

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Posted by Bill Brown on April 8, 2008, 7:52 pm
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>
>
> > Either you made a 1031 exchange, or you sold the old property and
> > bought new property -- NOT both. Which was it? Did you have control of
> > the proceeds from the sale of your old property? If so, you don't
> > qualify for 1031 treatment.
>
> lighten up.  the property was sold, in a manner which qualified for
> nonrecognition of gain under IRC 1031.

And you know that because a person who doesn't know that depreciation
goes up when tax basis goes up said so?

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Posted by Gil Faver on April 9, 2008, 11:49 am
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>>
>>
>> > Either you made a 1031 exchange, or you sold the old property and
>> > bought new property -- NOT both. Which was it? Did you have control of
>> > the proceeds from the sale of your old property? If so, you don't
>> > qualify for 1031 treatment.
>>
>> lighten up. the property was sold, in a manner which qualified for
>> nonrecognition of gain under IRC 1031.
>
> And you know that because a person who doesn't know that depreciation
> goes up when tax basis goes up said so?



Based on the set of information he provided, and the fact that he had used a
professional tax preparer during the period of the 1031 activity.

And based on the fact I have seen rants from people who seem to get off when
someone says they "sold" a property and did a "1031 exchange".

move on to his real question, or allow others to do so.

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