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How to Estimate Impact of Qualified Dividends for 2008 njoracle 01-04-2008
Posted by njoracle on January 4, 2008, 6:02 pm
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I understand that the tax rate for qualified dividends (and capital
gains) is 0% if your joint return had taxable income $65,150 or less.

Suppose I have the following (joint return, both H&W over 65):

Pension 40,000
Social Sec 18,000
Dividends 15,000
of which 8000 are qualified dividends.

In 2007 from above, total Income is 73,000 less 18,000 in deductions for
a taxable income of $55000. Tax due is based on $55,000 which equates to
about $7000. If I have basically the same income for 2008, can I reduce
the total income by $8000 (due to qualified dividends not being taxed)
to $65000? If so, this should reduce my tax by about $800 (roughly).

Are my assumptions correct?

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Posted by Alan on January 4, 2008, 7:29 pm
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njoracle wrote:
> I understand that the tax rate for qualified dividends (and capital
> gains) is 0% if your joint return had taxable income $65,150 or less.
>
> Suppose I have the following (joint return, both H&W over 65):
>
> Pension 40,000
> Social Sec 18,000
> Dividends 15,000
> of which 8000 are qualified dividends.
>
> In 2007 from above, total Income is 73,000 less 18,000 in deductions for
> a taxable income of $55000. Tax due is based on $55,000 which equates to
> about $7000. If I have basically the same income for 2008, can I reduce
> the total income by $8000 (due to qualified dividends not being taxed)
> to $65000? If so, this should reduce my tax by about $800 (roughly).
>
> Are my assumptions correct?
>
Your assumptions and numbers are not correct. $55000 of AGI w/o
SSA benefits would trigger 85% of your SSA benefits being taxed.
Subtracting your std deduction plus kicker for those over age 65
and your two personal exemptions gets your taxable income below
the 25% marginal tax bracket. As such, your qualified dividends
in 2007 would be taxed at 5%. In 2008, they would not be taxed.
You save 5% of $8000 = $400.

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Posted by Don Priebe on January 4, 2008, 9:18 pm
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>> I understand that the tax rate for qualified dividends (and capital
>> gains) is 0% if your joint return had taxable income $65,150 or less.
>>
>> Suppose I have the following (joint return, both H&W over 65):
>> Pension 40,000
>> Social Sec 18,000
>> Dividends 15,000 of which 8000 are qualified dividends.

<< How much do I save in 2008 compared to 2007 >>
<< snip original calculations >>
>> If so, this should reduce my tax by about $800 (roughly).

> Your assumptions and numbers are not correct.
<< snip recalculations>>
> You save 5% of $8000 = $400.

In addition, my crystal ball says that both the standard deduction and the
personal exemptions go up in 2008 by a total of $400. So you save an
additional 15% of $400, or $60. Total savings $460.

[Now someone factor in the increase of social security ... ]
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