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Huge Capital Gains carryover - ideas? colleendave 03-13-2007
Posted by colleendave on March 13, 2007, 6:26 pm
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Hello,

I had very large gains in 1999, paid approximately $50k
taxes on them, then in the stock market bust of 2000 lost
most of it.

Besides the great learning lesson, I'm now carrying over
$250k of capital losses and $30+k of margin interest paid
carryover.

I've invested most of my portfolio in a house which I plan
to keep.

My problem is that i will never use up my capital gain
carryovers.

Any ideas how I could benefit from them? Is there any
income averaging or re-statement of those tax years that
could help?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted by rick++ on March 15, 2007, 1:28 am
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You can use them forever at 3K per year to offset income.
There was some talk of congress COLA indexing this 3K, or
increasing it for retirees who have different income
conditions.

If you ever start investing again you can buy "unrealized
gains" in mutual funds in the future to cut taxes. I've
done some of that myself. You find unrealized gains in
previews of year-end distributions or growth stocks inside
prospectii (e.g. lots of GOOG).

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Posted by rick++ on March 17, 2007, 6:30 am
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You can use them forever at 3K per year to offset income.
There was some talk of congress COLA indexing this 3K, or
increasing it for retirees who have different income
conditions.

If you ever start investing again you can buy "unrealized
gains" in mutual funds in the future to cut taxes. I've
done some of that myself. You find unrealized gains in
previews of year-end distributions or growth stocks inside
prospectii (e.g. lots of GOOG).

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Posted by Seth Breidbart on March 18, 2007, 2:18 am
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> You can use them forever at 3K per year to offset income.
> There was some talk of congress COLA indexing this 3K, or
> increasing it for retirees who have different income
> conditions.
>
> If you ever start investing again you can buy "unrealized
> gains" in mutual funds in the future to cut taxes. I've
> done some of that myself. You find unrealized gains in
> previews of year-end distributions or growth stocks inside
> prospectii (e.g. lots of GOOG).

How does that help? Suppose I buy a mutual fund for $1,000
of which $200 is unrealized gains. They realize it, and pay
me $200 in capital gains. That offsets $200 of capital
loss; but my shares in the fund are now worth only $800, so
I have the same loss if I sell them (and if I don't sell
them, and wait for the $800 to appreciate back to $1,000, I
might just as well have bought $800 worth of any other
mutual fund and waited for it to appreciate.)

Seth

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Posted by Barry Margolin on March 19, 2007, 2:23 am
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>> You can use them forever at 3K per year to offset income.
>> There was some talk of congress COLA indexing this 3K, or
>> increasing it for retirees who have different income
>> conditions.
>>
>> If you ever start investing again you can buy "unrealized
>> gains" in mutual funds in the future to cut taxes. I've
>> done some of that myself. You find unrealized gains in
>> previews of year-end distributions or growth stocks inside
>> prospectii (e.g. lots of GOOG).

> How does that help? Suppose I buy a mutual fund for $1,000
> of which $200 is unrealized gains. They realize it, and pay
> me $200 in capital gains. That offsets $200 of capital
> loss; but my shares in the fund are now worth only $800, so
> I have the same loss if I sell them (and if I don't sell
> them, and wait for the $800 to appreciate back to $1,000, I
> might just as well have bought $800 worth of any other
> mutual fund and waited for it to appreciate.)

The benefit is that you don't have to pay tax on the
distributed gain, because it just eats away at the huge
carryover you have.

Basically, if you have so much carryover that you'll never
use it up, you essentially never have to pay capital gains
tax again. Which means that you can ignore them when making
investment decisions.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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