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IRS PDF Files Tom_Rossi 04-02-2008
Posted by Mark Bole on April 3, 2008, 8:14 pm
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 Tom_Rossi wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:41:56 EDT, joetaxpayer

>>> Tom_Rossi wrote:
>>>> The IRS website says that you can edit their PDF files and save your
>>>> work, but when I open the file in Acrobat Reader 7, it says that you
>>>> cannot? What is the deal? Specifically I am looking at the form 941
>>>> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf.

>>> I don't believe 'reader' permits the save.

>> You can save THESE forms with their data, but many other
>> fill-in forms you cannot.
>>
>> I'm using Reader 8.1.2.

For the sake of entertaining off-topic diversion, I downloaded all the
current IRS forms and instructions from ftp.irs.gov site. A highly
unscientific (yet amazingly random) sample of the downloaded documents
reveals that 98+% of them have document rights enabled, meaning you can
type in data fields and save locally even with free Adobe Acrobat Reader
(ver 7.0.9 -- I haven't seen a compelling reason to upgrade to ver 8.0).

I found in my sample the following two forms that did not have document
rights enabled: Form 8027 (Employer’s Annual Information Return of Tip
Income and Allocated Tips) and Form 13324 (Internal Revenue Service
Civil Rights Assurance for Sub-recipients under SPEC Partnership
Agreements). Form 941 specifically *did* have rights enabled.

Interestingly, upon opening with Adobe Reader, one of the IRS downloaded
form files popped up the following diagnostic:

"This document contained certain rights to enable special features in
Adobe Reader. The document has been changed since it was created and
these rights are no longer valid. Please contact the author of the
original version of this document."

-Mark Bole

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Posted by Gil Faver on April 4, 2008, 1:33 pm
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>
> For the sake of entertaining off-topic diversion, I downloaded all the
> current IRS forms and instructions from ftp.irs.gov site. A highly
> unscientific (yet amazingly random) sample of the downloaded documents
> reveals that 98+% of them have document rights enabled, meaning you can
> type in data fields and save locally even with free Adobe Acrobat Reader
> (ver 7.0.9 -- I haven't seen a compelling reason to upgrade to ver 8.0).
>
> I found in my sample the following two forms that did not have document
> rights enabled: Form 8027 (Employer’s Annual Information Return of Tip
> Income and Allocated Tips) and Form 13324 (Internal Revenue Service Civil
> Rights Assurance for Sub-recipients under SPEC Partnership Agreements).
> Form 941 specifically *did* have rights enabled.
>
> Interestingly, upon opening with Adobe Reader, one of the IRS downloaded
> form files popped up the following diagnostic:
>
> "This document contained certain rights to enable special features in
> Adobe Reader. The document has been changed since it was created and these
> rights are no longer valid. Please contact the author of the original
> version of this document."
>
> -Mark Bole


Mark, given your effort thus far, I suggest you contact the IRS and point
out the forms you found which do not have document rights enabled. I am
sure it is not their intention.

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Posted by BeanTownSteve on April 2, 2008, 6:42 pm
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> The IRS website says that you can edit their PDF files and save your
> work, but when I open the file in Acrobat Reader 7, it says that you
> cannot? What is the deal? Specifically I am looking at the form
941http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf.
> <SNIP>

Works fine for me (using the link you gave) BUT I'm on Adobe Reader
8.1.2

pdf's open in my browser (Firefox) but I saved the edits and then
opened with Acrobat and the changes were there.
Maybe an upgrade might resolve the issue.

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<< The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
<< nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
<< >>
<< The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
<< to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
<< are at www.asktax.org. >>
<< Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >>
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Posted by Gil Faver on April 2, 2008, 8:08 pm
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>> The IRS website says that you can edit their PDF files and save your
>> work, but when I open the file in Acrobat Reader 7, it says that you
>> cannot? What is the deal? Specifically I am looking at the form
>> 941http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf.
>> <SNIP>
>
> Works fine for me (using the link you gave) BUT I'm on Adobe Reader
> 8.1.2
>
> pdf's open in my browser (Firefox) but I saved the edits and then
> opened with Acrobat and the changes were there.
> Maybe an upgrade might resolve the issue.


works for me with 7.0

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<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
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Posted by Gil Faver on April 2, 2008, 6:43 pm
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> The IRS website says that you can edit their PDF files and save your
> work, but when I open the file in Acrobat Reader 7, it says that you
> cannot? What is the deal? Specifically I am looking at the form 941
> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf.


are you sure you are reading it right? to me it says you CAN save it,
filled in.

Now why can't the California FTB figure out that PDF setting?

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