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Inheritance taxes firenze5943 02-05-2008
---> Re: Inheritance taxes Stuart Bronstei...02-05-2008
Posted by firenze5943 on February 5, 2008, 4:58 pm
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Thanks for anyone who answered my question regarding 1099s for a
probate situation. I am working on
the forms now.
Just one more question. Just want to be sure I am correct. I am
executor of an estate.
Atty,Acct is out of town. If the value of an estate should come in
over 2 million, would federal taxes
be due "only" on the amount over the 2 million. And, does this apply
to NYS as well?
I am thinking that it might be better in this case to sell some
securities low.
Thanks again Karen

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on February 5, 2008, 5:21 pm
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firenze5943@gmail.com wrote:

> Just one more question. Just want to be sure I am correct. I am
> executor of an estate.
> Atty,Acct is out of town. If the value of an estate should come in
> over 2 million, would federal taxes be due "only" on the amount over
> the 2 million.

Essentially yes. The calculation is more complicated - it includes all
money in the estate, and then subtracts the tax that would have been
imposed on the first two million.

> And, does this apply to NYS as well?

I'm not familiar with NY law on this subject.

> I am thinking that it might be better in this case to sell some
> securities low.

Securities, as all estate assets, are valued at market value on the
date of death. If these are publicly traded securities the value will
be pegged at the price they were traded at on the date of death. If
you sell them low you will not reduce the tax.

Stu

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Posted by firenze5943 on February 5, 2008, 6:53 pm
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> firenze5...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Just one more question. Just want to be sure I am correct. I am
> > executor of an estate.
> > Atty,Acct is out of town. If the value of an estate should come in
> > over 2 million, would federal taxes be due "only" on the amount over
> > the 2 million.
>
> Essentially yes. The calculation is more complicated - it includes all
> money in the estate, and then subtracts the tax that would have been
> imposed on the first two million.
>
> > And, does this apply to NYS as well?
>
> I'm not familiar with NY law on this subject.
>
> > I am thinking that it might be better in this case to sell some
> > securities low.
>
> Securities, as all estate assets, are valued at market value on the
> date of death. If these are publicly traded securities the value will
> be pegged at the price they were traded at on the date of death. If
> you sell them low you will not reduce the tax.
>
> Stu
>
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Thanks for the reply. I now understand about the tax calculation.

Somehow in my notes the attorney mentioned ( twice,) that it would be
better if I were to sell the stocks at the lower price That the
(loss)
could be used on the form 706 I am confused and
guess I had better wait for his return.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on February 5, 2008, 7:03 pm
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firenze5943@gmail.com wrote:

>> Securities, as all estate assets, are valued at market value on
>> the date of death. If these are publicly traded securities the
>> value will be pegged at the price they were traded at on the date
>> of death. If you sell them low you will not reduce the tax.
>
> Somehow in my notes the attorney mentioned ( twice,) that it would
> be better if I were to sell the stocks at the lower price That the
> (loss) could be used on the form 706 I am confused and
> guess I had better wait for his return.

I hate to say this, but when it comes to tax strategy listen to your
accountant, not your attorney.

There is a thing called the alternate valuation date. The estate can
elect to have the estate valued either on the date of death or on the
date six months later. It's generally only better to use the alternate
date if the entire economy has taken a dive and all the property is, in
the aggregate, worth less.

To get the lower valuation the property only needs to be owned on the
alternate date. It does not need to be sold.

If there's actually been a loss on the securities, they can be sold and
the loss would probably be taken on the 1041, not the 706.

Others who know better will correct me if I'm wrong (I'm an estate
planning and tax attorney who doesn't do returns), but I think either
you misunderstood or your attorney gave you bad advice.

Stu

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Posted by sedrickgm on February 5, 2008, 8:20 pm
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> firenze5...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Securities, as all estate assets, are valued at market value on
> >> the date of death. If these are publicly traded securities the
> >> value will be pegged at the price they were traded at on the date
> >> of death. If you sell them low you will not reduce the tax.
>
> > Somehow in my notes the attorney mentioned ( twice,) that it would
> > be better if I were to sell the stocks at the lower price That the
> > (loss) could be used on the form 706 I am confused and
> > guess I had better wait for his return.
>
> I hate to say this, but when it comes to tax strategy listen to your
> accountant, not your attorney.
>
> There is a thing called the alternate valuation date. The estate can
> elect to have the estate valued either on the date of death or on the
> date six months later. It's generally only better to use the alternate
> date if the entire economy has taken a dive and all the property is, in
> the aggregate, worth less.
>
> To get the lower valuation the property only needs to be owned on the
> alternate date. It does not need to be sold.
>
> If there's actually been a loss on the securities, they can be sold and
> the loss would probably be taken on the 1041, not the 706.
>
> Others who know better will correct me if I'm wrong (I'm an estate
> planning and tax attorney who doesn't do returns), but I think either
> you misunderstood or your attorney gave you bad advice.
>
> Stu
>
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Stu,
Thanks. I think we had better hire an accountant. Our attorney who is
also acting as our accountant
may not be well versed in this issue. I asked my brother who was also
at the meeting w/ the att'y
and he also recalls the sell low advice. It may be because the dod of
the decedent occurred when the
market was at an all time high.
K

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