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Is it okay to be optimistic on State Estimated Taxes? Jessica 04-24-2008
Posted by Seth on April 30, 2008, 10:48 pm
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>And say you overpaid state tax by 12k in year 1 when you were not in
>AMT and in 25% bracket to save you 3k, then in year 2 you are in 33%
>bracket and AMT, your ordinary tax has 12k tax refund as income, on
>which your regular tax increases by 4k. It looks like you've lost 1k
>by overypaying state taxes. The 12k is not subject to AMT. So say
>your AGI (with the 12k refund) is 262k; your AMT taxable income is
>250k. If you didn't make the 12k overpayment in the previous year,
>the AMT taxable income would still be 250k (and the AGI would be
>250k). So the AMT tentative tax is the same either way. So there's
>no fraud here as I see it, as you've lost 1k by this strategy.

If the AMT tentative tax exceeds the regular tax anyway, then you've
gained $3k.

Seth

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on May 2, 2008, 1:26 pm
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On Apr 30, 7:48 pm, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:

> If the AMT tentative tax exceeds the regular tax anyway, then you've
> gained $3k.

Can you give more details please?

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Posted by Seth on May 2, 2008, 2:04 pm
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>On Apr 30, 7:48 pm, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:
>
>> If the AMT tentative tax exceeds the regular tax anyway, then you've
>> gained $3k.
>
>Can you give more details please?

AMT tentative tax: $50,000.

Regular tax (without the refund): $45,000.

Regular tax (including the refund): $48,000.

So in year 2, he pays $50,000 either way.

Seth

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Posted by Jessica on April 30, 2008, 11:23 pm
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> On Apr 29, 1:20 pm, KEBSCHU...@aol.com wrote:
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>> It might be deemed "tax fraud" if you deliberately overpaid your state
>> income taxes in a year that you paid the regular tax to get the tax
>> benefit from the overpayment AND
>> this was done in anticipation of paying the AMT the next year. Have
>> you noticed that IRS instructions exclude ALL state income tax and
>> certain other tax refunds from Alternative Minimum Taxable Income.
>> See Line 7 on Form 6251 and section 56(b)(1)(D) of the Internal
>> Revenue Code and draw your own conclusions
>
> The original post seemed to be about the paying the exact amount of
> state taxes in 2008 instead of taking advantage of safe habor, not
> about overpaying if I read right.
>
> As for the overpayment case you cited, is it really fraud and have
> there been any court cases on it?
>
No, the overpayment is exactly what I am talking about. I want to pay more
than I really expect to need because the deduction this year will exceed the
tax on the refund next year.

Now... it is actually possible the overpayment will actually turn out to be
correct; it is just not likely. If this is fradulent, then I don't want to
do it, but it if isn't, then I will forgo use of the money for a few months.

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Posted by scott s. on April 26, 2008, 7:09 pm
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> Be
> careful how you invest your money though. I read an article about
> people who put their money into money market treasury funds, but
> because banks stopped bidding for treasuries, the money market funds
> dried up or something like that. See "The "Other Cash Crisis" in
> http://www.auctionratepreferreds.org/, so be careful where you park
> your money.
>

I don't think treasuries have anything to do with that. My city had
a bond issue done through the auction-rate market. Since the auctions
failed the city is having to pay a reset interest of around 6%. The
city plans to float a conventional bond issue and call the auction rate
bonds in. So those who own these bonds are getting a decent interest
and will be repaid at par eventually.

scott s.
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