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Land for second home tax question ak_bat 01-31-2008
Posted by ak_bat on January 31, 2008, 11:35 pm
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Hi,

I have couple of questions:

1. If I purchase land for investment, is the interest on loan used to
make the purchase, or property tax paid on it deductible for income
tax purposes?

2. If I purchase land for building a second home, and the process for
building the home will take abt 24 months, when can I start deducting
the interest and property tax (if not right from purchase time).

Thanks in advance for any information.

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Posted by ak_bat on February 1, 2008, 1:27 am
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On Jan 31, 8:35 pm, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have couple of questions:
>
> 1. If I purchase land for investment, is the interest on loan used to
> make the purchase, or property tax paid on it deductible for income
> tax purposes?
>
> 2. If I purchase land for building a second home, and the process for
> building the home will take abt 24 months, when can I start deducting
> the interest and property tax (if not right from purchase time).
>
> Thanks in advance for any information.
>


OK. So I did some research on this forum (should have done it before
posting...but oh well. Live and learn). So from what I understand,
for #1, it is only deductible as investment expense, not as mortgage
interest. For #2, I can deduct as mortgage interest as long as there
is a livable dwelling in 24 months. Am I correct? In either case how
is property tax treated for deduction purposes?

Another thing that I read on this forum was that if I was to take a
second mortgage on my existing home (for abt $400K) and buy the land
(or for that matter to buy land and build a house on it), then I can
deduct the interest on it as mortgage interest. Is that accurate? Or
does the second mortgage have to be used to improve my first home
itself?

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Posted by eagent on February 1, 2008, 1:44 pm
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On Feb 1, 1:27 am, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:35 pm, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have couple of questions:
>
> > 1.  If I purchase land for investment, is the interest on loan used to
> > make the purchase, or property tax paid on it deductible for income
> > tax purposes?
>
> > 2.  If I purchase land for building a second home, and the process for
> > building the home will take abt 24 months, when can I start deducting
> > the interest and property tax (if not right from purchase time).
>
> > Thanks in advance for any information.
>
> OK.  So I did some research on this forum (should have done it before
> posting...but oh well.  Live and learn).  So from what I understand,
> for #1, it is only deductible as investment expense, not as mortgage
> interest.  For #2, I can deduct as mortgage interest as long as there
> is a livable dwelling in 24 months.  Am I correct?  In either case how
> is property tax treated for deduction purposes?
>
> Another thing that I read on this forum was that if I was to take a
> second mortgage on my existing home (for abt $400K) and buy the land
> (or for that matter to buy land and build a house on it), then I can
> deduct the interest on it as mortgage interest.  Is that accurate?  Or
> does the second mortgage have to be used to improve my first home
> itself?
>
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The deductibility of interest on an equity loan is limited unless you
use the tracing rules. The limitation says that you can deduct the
interest on no more than $100K equity loan on your schedule A. And
that interest needs to be added back for the AMT calculations.

If you want to deduct interest on MORE than $100K in equity debt you
need to follow the tracing rules. This will allow you to deduct the
interest on the schedule where it belongs. For example, if you took
out a $400K equity loan on your home and you used the money in the
following ways, you'd report the interest as follows:

$100K to fix up your home - this is now converted to acquisition debt
and is fully deductible with no add back for AMT.
$150K to buy a rental property - This goes on Schedule E;
$100K to buy land as an investment - This is investment interest and
is subject to investment income
$50K to put the kid through college - THIS is the ONLY real equity
debt you and is deductible on Schedule A BUT gets added back for the
AMT calculations.

Good luck,
Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

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Posted by ak_bat on February 1, 2008, 6:22 pm
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> On Feb 1, 1:27 am, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 8:35 pm, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > I have couple of questions:
>
> > > 1. If I purchase land for investment, is the interest on loan used to
> > > make the purchase, or property tax paid on it deductible for income
> > > tax purposes?
>
> > > 2. If I purchase land for building a second home, and the process for
> > > building the home will take abt 24 months, when can I start deducting
> > > the interest and property tax (if not right from purchase time).
>
> > > Thanks in advance for any information.
>
> > OK. So I did some research on this forum (should have done it before
> > posting...but oh well. Live and learn). So from what I understand,
> > for #1, it is only deductible as investment expense, not as mortgage
> > interest. For #2, I can deduct as mortgage interest as long as there
> > is a livable dwelling in 24 months. Am I correct? In either case how
> > is property tax treated for deduction purposes?
>
> > Another thing that I read on this forum was that if I was to take a
> > second mortgage on my existing home (for abt $400K) and buy the land
> > (or for that matter to buy land and build a house on it), then I can
> > deduct the interest on it as mortgage interest. Is that accurate? Or
> > does the second mortgage have to be used to improve my first home
> > itself?
>
> > --
> > << ------------------------------------------------------- >>
> > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
> > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
> > << >>
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> > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
> > << are atwww.asktax.org. >>
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> > << ------------------------------------------------------- >>
>
> The deductibility of interest on an equity loan is limited unless you
> use the tracing rules. The limitation says that you can deduct the
> interest on no more than $100K equity loan on your schedule A. And
> that interest needs to be added back for the AMT calculations.
>
> If you want to deduct interest on MORE than $100K in equity debt you
> need to follow the tracing rules. This will allow you to deduct the
> interest on the schedule where it belongs. For example, if you took
> out a $400K equity loan on your home and you used the money in the
> following ways, you'd report the interest as follows:
>
> $100K to fix up your home - this is now converted to acquisition debt
> and is fully deductible with no add back for AMT.
> $150K to buy a rental property - This goes on Schedule E;
> $100K to buy land as an investment - This is investment interest and
> is subject to investment income
> $50K to put the kid through college - THIS is the ONLY real equity
> debt you and is deductible on Schedule A BUT gets added back for the
> AMT calculations.
>
> Good luck,
> Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

Thanks for that and it makes sense. What about deductions for Equity
loan for less than 100K? Is that fully deductible?

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Posted by eagent on February 4, 2008, 3:13 pm
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On Feb 1, 6:22 pm, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 1:27 am, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 31, 8:35 pm, ak_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> Thanks for that and it makes sense.  What about deductions for Equity
> loan for less than 100K?  Is that fully deductible?
>
> ========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
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For equity loans of less than $100K the interest is deductible on
Schedule A BUT gets added back on Form 6251 for the AMT IF the money
was NOT used to improve the property.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

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