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Last-in, first-out accounting of holding periods kevincostello 11-14-2007
Posted by Barry Margolin on November 15, 2007, 3:01 pm
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kevincostello@cox.net wrote:

> I have bought and sold a number of shares of two particular
> companies over the last two years. When I prepared my taxes
> last year, I calculated the sales as "last-in, first-out",
> maintaining the first shares I had purchased in my account
> in case I ended up holding them more than a year. I have now
> sold all of the shares of these two companies, and by a
> careful tracking of last-in, first-out, I indeed have a
> number of shares that I have held for more than a year, and
> this will save me about $500 on my tax bill.

You can save even more by selling the most expensive shares,
which may not be the last-in. Also, since shares held more
than a year are taxed at a lower rate, you may be able to
save more by selling long-term shares than short-term
shares.

> 1) There is nothing wrong with this method, is there? I have
> been consistent and careful in my accounting for these
> shares over two years, and the numbers work out correctly. I
> have also been consistent in using this method for all
> shares of individual stocks that I own.

The only two options you have for accounting for stock sales
are FIFO or specific shares. LIFO is just a particular case
of specific shares, where you just happen to specify the
youngest shares. In order to use the specific shares method
you have to tell your broker which shares to sell, and get a
written acknowledgement from the broker that they sold the
designated shares. If you don't specify explicitly, you're
assumed to be selling FIFO.

So unless you've been making these explicit designations,
there is definitely something wrong with your method.

In the case of mutual funds you also have the option of
using average cost basis accounting.

> 2) Am I required to use the same holding time accounting
> method for shares of every company I own? Would I be able to
> calculate by "last- in, first-out" for some sets of shares,
> and "first-in, first-out" for others? I would of course be
> consistent for shares in one particular company.

You can use different methods for different companies, and
you can change the method for any particular company at any
time. However, if you sell a mutual fund and use the
average cost basis method you can't go back to specific
shares or FIFO for that fund until you close out your entire
position.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Posted by Bob Sandler on November 15, 2007, 3:01 pm
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> I have bought and sold a number of shares of two particular
> companies over the last two years. When I prepared my taxes
> last year, I calculated the sales as "last-in, first-out",
> maintaining the first shares I had purchased in my account
> in case I ended up holding them more than a year. I have now
> sold all of the shares of these two companies, and by a
> careful tracking of last-in, first-out, I indeed have a
> number of shares that I have held for more than a year, and
> this will save me about $500 on my tax bill.
>
> 1) There is nothing wrong with this method, is there?

No, as long as, when you placed each sell order, you told
your broker which specific shares you were selling, and the
broker confirmed the specific identification of the shares
in writing within a reasonable time. If that was not done at
the time of each sale, then you must use first-in,
first-out. If you used the wrong method when you prepared
your tax return for 2006, you will have to file an amended
return.

There are really only two methods allowed for stocks:
first-in, first-out, and specific identification. You can
accomplish the same thing as last-in, first-out by keeping
track of it yourself and using specific identification for
each sale, but you can't tell the IRS that you are using
last-in, first-out as a general method.

You can't decide what method to use when you do your taxes
at the end of the year. To use specific identification, the
two steps that I mentioned above have to take place at the
time of the sale: your notification to the broker and the
broker's written confirmation. If you didn't follow the
specific identification procedure at the time of the sale,
then by default you chose to use first-in, first-out.

> 2) Am I required to use the same holding time accounting
> method for shares of every company I own?

No.

> Would I be able to calculate by "last- in, first-out" for
> some sets of shares, and "first-in, first-out" for others?

Yes, by using specific identification, as described above.

> I would of course be consistent for shares in one
> particular company.

You don't even have to do that. You can use specific
identification for some sales, and first-in, first-out for
other sales of the same company. Of course you can't sell
the same shares twice, so you have to keep careful records
of what you sold when.

> I know that Turbo Tax and the like default to "first-in,
> first-out", and it is up to me to use a different method.

The software works that way because that's how the IRS
regulations work. The default is first-in, first-out unless
you took active steps to use specific identification.

One other comment: You refer to this as a method of
determining your holding period. It's not clear whether you
realize that it also determines the cost of the shares that
you sold. The cost that you report for each sale is the cost
of the particular shares that you sold, no matter which
method you used to determine which shares you sold. So using
one method or the other will affect the amount of gain or
loss on each sale, as well as whether it is short-term or
long-term.

Bob Sandler

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