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Massachusetts IRA distribution joetaxpayer 03-06-2007
Posted by joetaxpayer on March 6, 2007, 5:44 am
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I don't know how other states handle this, but MA does not
allow a deduction. Therefore, it exempts all distributions
that are the deposits to one's IRA (i.e. they will start
taxing only after all deposits are withdrawn). The form's
question is "total contributions previously taxed by
Massachusetts".

So, unlike Non-deductable IRA deposits, which are tracked
via 8606, how would this be handled? There is no form that
tracked this over the years. Hoping a fellow bean-towner or
someone living in a similar state (in both senses) can set
me straight.

JOE

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on March 7, 2007, 4:49 am
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[poster describes how MA does not allow a deduction
for IRA contributions, even when federally-deductible.
For completeness, I note that MA also disallows deductions
for contributions to sole proprietors' qualified plans (SEP,
Keogh, solo 401(k), etc).]

> So, unlike Non-deductable IRA deposits, which are tracked
> via 8606, how would this be handled?

You keep track, on your own spreadsheet/piece of paper/etc.
all the contributions you've made to an IRA/SEP/Keogh/etc.
while you've been a MA taxpayer.

> There is no form that tracked this over the years.

Correct. So roll your own.

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Rich Carreiro rlcarr@animato.arlington.ma.us

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Posted by joetaxpayer on March 8, 2007, 12:23 am
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Rich Carreiro wrote:

>
> [poster describes how MA does not allow a deduction
> for IRA contributions, even when federally-deductible.
> For completeness, I note that MA also disallows deductions
> for contributions to sole proprietors' qualified plans (SEP,
> Keogh, solo 401(k), etc).]
>
> You keep track, on your own spreadsheet/piece of paper/etc.
> all the contributions you've made to an IRA/SEP/Keogh/etc.
> while you've been a MA taxpayer.

>> There is no form that tracked this over the years.

> Correct. So roll your own.

(Thanks for summarizing my post) So if a client comes in at
70, and has the 3 years returns that one saves (or even 7,
no difference I guess), do you just go back and research the
year IRAs started ($2,000 right?) and add up the assumed
deposits, declaring that to be the MA 'basis'? If not that,
what? I can't be the first to run into this. (you'd think
the MA forms would track deposits) I understand your
response, and suppose this would be a warning I'd give
people just starting out, but it's the first this problem
has come up for me.

JOE

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Posted by Harlan Lunsford on March 10, 2007, 2:49 am
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joetaxpayer wrote:
> Rich Carreiro wrote:

>> [poster describes how MA does not allow a deduction
>> for IRA contributions, even when federally-deductible.
>> For completeness, I note that MA also disallows deductions
>> for contributions to sole proprietors' qualified plans (SEP,
>> Keogh, solo 401(k), etc).]
>>
>> You keep track, on your own spreadsheet/piece of paper/etc.
>> all the contributions you've made to an IRA/SEP/Keogh/etc.
>> while you've been a MA taxpayer.

>>> There is no form that tracked this over the years.

>> Correct. So roll your own.

> (Thanks for summarizing my post) So if a client comes in at
> 70, and has the 3 years returns that one saves (or even 7,
> no difference I guess), do you just go back and research the
> year IRAs started ($2,000 right?) and add up the assumed
> deposits, declaring that to be the MA 'basis'? If not that,
> what? I can't be the first to run into this. (you'd think
> the MA forms would track deposits) I understand your
> response, and suppose this would be a warning I'd give
> people just starting out, but it's the first this problem
> has come up for me.

You might get your client to come up with forms 5498 he's
gotten over the years from the IRA custodian. Or maybe the
brokerage house/bank end of year statements which would show
contributions. That's a start.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by Bill B on March 10, 2007, 2:49 am
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> do you just go back and research the
> year IRAs started ($2,000 right?) and add up the assumed
> deposits, declaring that to be the MA 'basis'? If not that,
> what? I can't be the first to run into this. (you'd think
> the MA forms would track deposits) I understand your
> response, and suppose this would be a warning I'd give
> people just starting out, but it's the first this problem
> has come up for me.

A lot of old timers here that I'm sure remember IRA's
started in 1974 as 1500.00 and changed to 2000.00 in 1981.

I've always kept a list of IRA contributions for this
purpose and I always advise my clients to keep all tax
returns forever.

40 days left, but who's counting!

Bill in Taxachusetts

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