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Money for Investment and Tax Advantages Tom 11-25-2007
Posted by Tom on November 25, 2007, 7:09 pm
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Hi, I hope I can get some answers to some investment/tax questions.

I'm a Federal employee in my early sixties, Civil Service Retirement
System. Several years ago, I opened an IRA account with after tax dollars
and all money deposited into that account was after tax dollars. (I was told
as a Federal employee w/ CSR I had to set up an IRA using after tax dollars)
A couple of years later the ROTH became available and I opened a ROTH
account. I use Turbo Tax Deluxe to calculate my federal and state income
taxes, unfortunately Turbo Tax was no help instructing me how to report
deposits into the IRA I created w/ after tax dollars so I contacted my
broker and a local investment company but each gave me different
information. After tax season I went to the local IRS office for advice but
the advice was to read a couple of IRS booklets which didn't address my
situation.

I want to convert some of my CDs to mutual fund investments and minimize my
yearly investment tax liability if that's a smart thing to do in my case.( I
may need the money from some of the investments within a few years so I
don't want to add anymore to my ROTH) If I open another after tax IRA how
do I report after tax deposits on my annual tax return?
Why can't I open a pretax IRA (I also have a Federal TSP retirement account)

My original after tax IRA has been dormant for years because I didn't want
to make any deposits because of not knowing how report the deposits to the
IRS. There's not much left in this account because most of it was wiped out
during the dot.com bust.

Hope you can read this one

Tom


Posted by Harlan Lunsford on November 25, 2007, 7:21 pm
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Tom wrote:
> Hi, I hope I can get some answers to some investment/tax questions.
>
> I'm a Federal employee in my early sixties, Civil Service Retirement
> System. Several years ago, I opened an IRA account with after tax dollars
> and all money deposited into that account was after tax dollars. (I was told
> as a Federal employee w/ CSR I had to set up an IRA using after tax dollars)
> A couple of years later the ROTH became available and I opened a ROTH
> account. I use Turbo Tax Deluxe to calculate my federal and state income
> taxes, unfortunately Turbo Tax was no help instructing me how to report
> deposits into the IRA I created w/ after tax dollars so I contacted my
> broker and a local investment company but each gave me different
> information. After tax season I went to the local IRS office for advice but
> the advice was to read a couple of IRS booklets which didn't address my
> situation.
>
> I want to convert some of my CDs to mutual fund investments and minimize my
> yearly investment tax liability if that's a smart thing to do in my case.( I
> may need the money from some of the investments within a few years so I
> don't want to add anymore to my ROTH) If I open another after tax IRA how
> do I report after tax deposits on my annual tax return?
> Why can't I open a pretax IRA (I also have a Federal TSP retirement account)
>
> My original after tax IRA has been dormant for years because I didn't want
> to make any deposits because of not knowing how report the deposits to the
> IRS. There's not much left in this account because most of it was wiped out
> during the dot.com bust.
>
> Hope you can read this one

Sure can. (My wife is retired CSR and I have many clients like you.)

First a definition. Don't confuse the TYPE of investments (cd, mutual
funds, ) with the two IRAs. Each IRA may use different types of
investments as funding mechanisms. For example I started my IRA with
cd's, but rolled them over to mutual fund accounts when I saw the light.

So then, you simply find the right mutual fund for you and roll over
that regular type IRA into it. then open another mutual fund ROTH and
roll over what's in your present ROTH account.

How's that for simplicity?

As for what's in your two IRA's, like Las Vegas, what happens in the
account(s) stays in the accounts, iow, you don't report anything with
you annual tax returns unless and until you start withdrawls.

Now then, when you do accomplish these rollovers, make sure it will be
from trustee to trustee and there will be no 1099R form to worry about.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA


Posted by Tom on November 25, 2007, 8:21 pm
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> Tom wrote:
>> Hi, I hope I can get some answers to some investment/tax questions.
>>
>> I'm a Federal employee in my early sixties, Civil Service Retirement
>> System. Several years ago, I opened an IRA account with after tax dollars
>> and all money deposited into that account was after tax dollars. (I was
>> told as a Federal employee w/ CSR I had to set up an IRA using after tax
>> dollars) A couple of years later the ROTH became available and I opened a
>> ROTH account. I use Turbo Tax Deluxe to calculate my federal and state
>> income taxes, unfortunately Turbo Tax was no help instructing me how to
>> report deposits into the IRA I created w/ after tax dollars so I
>> contacted my broker and a local investment company but each gave me
>> different information. After tax season I went to the local IRS office
>> for advice but the advice was to read a couple of IRS booklets which
>> didn't address my situation.
>>
>> I want to convert some of my CDs to mutual fund investments and minimize
>> my yearly investment tax liability if that's a smart thing to do in my
>> case.( I may need the money from some of the investments within a few
>> years so I don't want to add anymore to my ROTH) If I open another
>> after tax IRA how do I report after tax deposits on my annual tax
>> return?
>> Why can't I open a pretax IRA (I also have a Federal TSP retirement
>> account)
>>
>> My original after tax IRA has been dormant for years because I didn't
>> want to make any deposits because of not knowing how report the deposits
>> to the IRS. There's not much left in this account because most of it was
>> wiped out during the dot.com bust.
>>
>> Hope you can read this one
>
> Sure can. (My wife is retired CSR and I have many clients like you.)
>
> First a definition. Don't confuse the TYPE of investments (cd, mutual
> funds, ) with the two IRAs. Each IRA may use different types of
> investments as funding mechanisms. For example I started my IRA with
> cd's, but rolled them over to mutual fund accounts when I saw the light.

The CDs are in a regular savings account and I want to traansfer them to an
IRA.
If I want to add cash to an IR do I add it has pretax money or post tax
money?
>
> So then, you simply find the right mutual fund for you and roll over that
> regular type IRA into it. then open another mutual fund ROTH and roll
> over what's in your present ROTH account.
>
> How's that for simplicity?

Pretty darn good but I'm a dunce. Do you know anything about pre tax and
post tax IRAs?
Do I need to use post tax money or can I use pre tax money to deposit to an
IRA?
When I opened my IRAs and ROTH nobody really seemed to know the rules for
CSR Federal employees.
>
> As for what's in your two IRA's, like Las Vegas, what happens in the
> account(s) stays in the accounts, iow, you don't report anything with you
> annual tax returns unless and until you start withdrawls.

OK, but I didn't use pretax money for the IRA so they're going to tax me
again on the deposits.
When I start a new IRA with my CDs then buy mutual funds they're going to
tax me on the deposits as well when I wthdraw the principal. correct?

>
> Now then, when you do accomplish these rollovers, make sure it will be
> from trustee to trustee and there will be no 1099R form to worry about.

I don't think that'll apply to me because the IRAs will be new account with
fresh deposits.
>
> ChEAr$,
> Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
>


Posted by Phil Marti on November 26, 2007, 7:27 am
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> The CDs are in a regular savings account and I want to traansfer them to
> an IRA.
> If I want to add cash to an IR do I add it has pretax money or post tax
> money?

You can't do either unless you or your spouse is working and has "earned
income," a/k/a "taxable compensation." This term is explained in Chapter 1
of IRS Publication 590.

Contributions to a traditional IRA may be either deductible (pre-tax) or
nondeductible (after-tax). There are two issues in determining this:
coverage by a retirement plan and, if you are covered, your AGI.

The fact that you are receiving CSRS benefits does not mean that you are
covered by a retirement plan. Thus, if you're single and working, you can
make deductible traditional IRA contributions at any income level unless
you're covered by a plan at your current job. (The reason you couldn't
deduct while working for the gummint was that you were covered by a plan at
that time, and your income was too high.)

There are absolute income limits for Roth contributions. Those are
explained in Chapter 2 of Pub 590.

> OK, but I didn't use pretax money for the IRA so they're going to tax me
> again on the deposits.
> When I start a new IRA with my CDs then buy mutual funds they're going to
> tax me on the deposits as well when I wthdraw the principal. correct?

When you take distributions from a traditional IRA that has after-tax money
in it you calculate how much is contributions that have already been taxed
and how much is earnings that haven't. You do this in Part I of Form 8606.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD


Posted by Tom on November 27, 2007, 10:39 pm
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>
>> The CDs are in a regular savings account and I want to traansfer them to
>> an IRA.
>> If I want to add cash to an IR do I add it has pretax money or post tax
>> money?
>
> You can't do either unless you or your spouse is working and has "earned
> income," a/k/a "taxable compensation." This term is explained in Chapter
> 1 of IRS Publication 590.

I'm still working. How much casn I contribute per year and can I make
withdrawals at anytime of contributions and profits? If I deposit money
into a ROTH and w/d the profits before the five year window what is the
penalty?
>
> Contributions to a traditional IRA may be either deductible (pre-tax) or
> nondeductible (after-tax). There are two issues in determining this:
> coverage by a retirement plan and, if you are covered, your AGI.

Yes, I'm covered by CSR retirement and I have a supplemental TSP account.
>
> The fact that you are receiving CSRS benefits does not mean that you are
> covered by a retirement plan. Thus, if you're single and working, you can
> make deductible traditional IRA contributions at any income level unless
> you're covered by a plan at your current job. (The reason you couldn't
> deduct while working for the gummint was that you were covered by a plan
> at that time, and your income was too high.)

Sorry for the misunderstanding I'm still working for the Feds.
>
> There are absolute income limits for Roth contributions. Those are
> explained in Chapter 2 of Pub 590.
>
>> OK, but I didn't use pretax money for the IRA so they're going to tax me
>> again on the deposits.
>> When I start a new IRA with my CDs then buy mutual funds they're going to
>> tax me on the deposits as well when I wthdraw the principal. correct?
>
> When you take distributions from a traditional IRA that has after-tax
> money in it you calculate how much is contributions that have already been
> taxed and how much is earnings that haven't. You do this in Part I of
> Form 8606.
>
> --
> Phil Marti
> Clarksburg, MD


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