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Money for Investment and Tax Advantages Tom 11-25-2007
Posted by Phil Marti on November 28, 2007, 2:48 am
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> I'm still working. How much casn I contribute per year and can I make
> withdrawals at anytime of contributions and profits?

The 2007 limit is $4,000 ($5,000 if you're age 50 by the end of the year.
In 2008 the limits go up $1,000.

With any IRA you can take any money out of it you want at any time, but
there may be tax consequences, depending on your specific situation.

Instead of asking people here to rewrite the IRS Publication, please spend
some time reading it (Pub 590), then come back with questions if there's
some specific detail you don't understand. A clue to whether you've done
your homework is whether you provide enough information about your specific
situation for someone to answer you question rather than having to come back
with a ton of questions.
--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD


Posted by Arthur Kamlet on November 25, 2007, 9:37 pm
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>Tom wrote:
>> Hi, I hope I can get some answers to some investment/tax questions.
>>
>> I'm a Federal employee in my early sixties, Civil Service Retirement
>> System. Several years ago, I opened an IRA account with after tax dollars
>> and all money deposited into that account was after tax dollars. (I was told
>> as a Federal employee w/ CSR I had to set up an IRA using after tax dollars)
>> A couple of years later the ROTH became available and I opened a ROTH
>> account. I use Turbo Tax Deluxe to calculate my federal and state income
>> taxes, unfortunately Turbo Tax was no help instructing me how to report
>> deposits into the IRA I created w/ after tax dollars so I contacted my
>> broker and a local investment company but each gave me different
>> information. After tax season I went to the local IRS office for advice but
>> the advice was to read a couple of IRS booklets which didn't address my
>> situation.
>>
>> I want to convert some of my CDs to mutual fund investments and minimize my
>> yearly investment tax liability if that's a smart thing to do in my case.( I
>> may need the money from some of the investments within a few years so I
>> don't want to add anymore to my ROTH) If I open another after tax IRA how
>> do I report after tax deposits on my annual tax return?
>> Why can't I open a pretax IRA (I also have a Federal TSP retirement account)
>>
>> My original after tax IRA has been dormant for years because I didn't want
>> to make any deposits because of not knowing how report the deposits to the
>> IRS. There's not much left in this account because most of it was wiped out
>> during the dot.com bust.
>>
>> Hope you can read this one
>
>Sure can. (My wife is retired CSR and I have many clients like you.)
>
>First a definition. Don't confuse the TYPE of investments (cd, mutual
>funds, ) with the two IRAs. Each IRA may use different types of
>investments as funding mechanisms. For example I started my IRA with
>cd's, but rolled them over to mutual fund accounts when I saw the light.
>
>So then, you simply find the right mutual fund for you and roll over
>that regular type IRA into it. then open another mutual fund ROTH and
>roll over what's in your present ROTH account.
>
>How's that for simplicity?
>
>As for what's in your two IRA's, like Las Vegas, what happens in the
>account(s) stays in the accounts, iow, you don't report anything with
>you annual tax returns unless and until you start withdrawls.
>
>Now then, when you do accomplish these rollovers, make sure it will be
>from trustee to trustee and there will be no 1099R form to worry about.
>
>ChEAr$,
>Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
>


One additional comment: If you were asking How do I report money
I put into a nondeductible IRA, the answer is Form 8606. If you
didn't file in the year you made the contribution, do it now.
--


ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH


Posted by Tom on November 26, 2007, 1:51 pm
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>>Tom wrote:
>
> One additional comment: If you were asking How do I report money
> I put into a nondeductible IRA, the answer is Form 8606. If you
> didn't file in the year you made the contribution, do it now.
> --
>
>
> ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

Yes, that's what I need to know.



Posted by Ernie Klein on November 26, 2007, 3:19 pm
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wrote:

> Hi, I hope I can get some answers to some investment/tax questions.

First, I am not a tax professional, but I try to point you in the right
direction, because you seem to have a basic misunderstanding of IRA's
that others that have answered, have not addressed.
>
> I'm a Federal employee in my early sixties, Civil Service Retirement
> System. Several years ago, I opened an IRA account with after tax dollars
> and all money deposited into that account was after tax dollars. (I was told
> as a Federal employee w/ CSR I had to set up an IRA using after tax dollars)

(OP is over 60 so all withdrawals are qualified)

All Traditional and ROTH IRA contributions are from after tax dollars.
If you qualify, you MAY be able to deduct your _traditional_ IRA
contribution from your Federal taxes which essentially makes it the same
as before tax dollars - but only if you qualify to take the deduction.

ROTH accounts are always after tax dollars, only the earnings grow tax
free. When you withdraw from a ROTH you pay no additional tax because
it has already been paid on contributions and the earning are not
taxable either.

Traditional IRA withdrawals, on the other hand, are taxed as ordinary
income -- except that any contributions that you have already paid tax
on, and could not deduct because you did not qualify for the deduction,
are not taxed again -- that is, for the sake of discussion, your "after
tax" contributions, or your "basis" as it is called. If you are still
employeed and are covered by an employeer retirement plan as you
indicate, then you are probably not qualified to take a deduction.

When you make non-deductable contribution you report it to the IRS on
form 8606 and also use that from to keep a running total of all previous
basis. You need to do that so that when you take a distribution, you
don't get to withdraw _only_ taxable or un-taxable dollars, rather you
have to withdraw some of each pro-rated and to do that you have to know
your total basis in the IRA.

> A couple of years later the ROTH became available and I opened a ROTH
> account. I use Turbo Tax Deluxe to calculate my federal and state income
> taxes, unfortunately Turbo Tax was no help instructing me how to report
> deposits

I have used TurboTax for years and it has all kinds of forms and help
for IRA contributions. If you used the "forms" method, just open form
8606-T (T= taxpayer for your self), for 8606-S (S=Spouse), and ask help
for instructions - it will lead you to the IRA contributation
worksheets, etc.

If you use the "interview" method, there is a whole section on
Retirement/IRA's, I don't know how you could have missed it.

> into the IRA I created w/ after tax dollars so I contacted my
> broker and a local investment company but each gave me different
> information. After tax season I went to the local IRS office for advice but
> the advice was to read a couple of IRS booklets which didn't address my
> situation.
>
> I want to convert some of my CDs to mutual fund investments and minimize my
> yearly investment tax liability if that's a smart thing to do in my case.

If you are talking about CD's that are within your IRA, there is no "tax
liability", until you take a distribution. Taxes on distributions from
you Traditional IRA are pro-rated using your basis (see above) and
distributions from your ROTH are tax free.

As far as you investments go, you are free to invest in anything you
want.

>( I
> may need the money from some of the investments within a few years so I
> don't want to add anymore to my ROTH)

Remember, when you become 70 1/2 you MUST start taking mandatory
distributions from your Traditional IRA, like it or not. This does not
apply to a ROTH. For that reason, depending you your circumstances, it
could be better to add to the ROTH with after-tax dollars, particularly
if you cannot deduct your Traditional IRA contributions.
>
> If I open another after tax IRA how
> do I report after tax deposits on my annual tax return?

See above.

> Why can't I open a pretax IRA (I also have a Federal TSP retirement account)
>
Probably because you are covered by a retirement plan (you only get to
deduct IRA contributions if the IRA is your ONLY retirement plan).

> My original after tax IRA has been dormant for years because I didn't want
> to make any deposits because of not knowing how report the deposits to the
> IRS. There's not much left in this account because most of it was wiped out
> during the dot.com bust.

Like I said above, at your age (younger than me), it might be better to
add to the ROTH because you won't be subject to mandatory distributions
at 70 1/2.

--
-Ernie-


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