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Question on non-spouse inherited IRA rollover/transfers Rich Carreiro 07-15-2007
Posted by Arthur Kamlet on July 18, 2007, 5:12 am
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> A relative of mine has just inherited a share of a trad IRA
> and a Roth IRA from her father. The IRAs listed her and her
> sister as 50/50 beneficiaries.
>
> I'm trying to make sure my relative (the decedent's
> daughter) doesn't get hosed on this...
>
> She's contacted her late father's financial advisor (who
> works with American funds -- her dad's trad and Roth IRA
> accounts are with American). The advisor is trying like heck
> to discourage my relative from transferring her share of the
> inherited IRA to an inherited IRA account at Fidelity (which
> is where all her other investments are kept).
>
> Anyhow, after finally and politely getting the advisor to
> admit defeat, he said she could do a "60-day rollover" to
> get the money into the inherited IRA account at Fido. She
> has NOT signed off on that yet.
>
> I am under th impression that this could not be done -- if a
> check made payable to her is sent, it'll (a) all be taxable
> income (except from the funds from the Roth), and (b) it
> will not be able to be put back into inherited IRA accounts.
> In other words, only a direct trustee-to-trustee transfer
> will do the trick (which could involve a check, as long as
> the check is made out to "Fidelity FBO [whatever]" and not
> to my relative).
>
> Is my understanding correct?

Yes.

Forget about the 60-day rule.

A direct transfer from the old account. 50% of the old
account should go into a new account titled "Jane Doe as
beneficiary of John Doe IRA" and she would take
distributions based on her age and add "1" to the Pub 5
table denominator every year.

--
ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Posted by kastnna on July 18, 2007, 5:12 am
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Rich,

The section on "inherited IRAs" in publication 590 covers
what you need.

I believe the AF guy is confusing non-spouse and spousal IRA
inheritance. I haven't looked at 590 in a while, but I
believe spousal inheritance allows for rollovers, but
non-spousal IRAs only allow for direct trustee-to-trustee
transfers. The reasoning is thus: a IRA inherited from a
spouse can be treated as your own, with all the same
benefits extended to the original account owner. A
non-spousal inherited IRA CANNOT be treated as your own. No
further contribs can be made, no rollovers are allowed
(except DT2T), and you are subject to the numerous
distribution rules (which vary depending on whether the
decedent had reached the required beginning date or not).

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Posted by Bill on July 18, 2007, 5:12 am
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rlc-news@rlcarr.com (Rich=A0Carreiro) posted:

> A relative of mine has just inherited a share of
> a trad IRA and a Roth IRA from her father.
> The IRAs listed her and her sister as 50/50
> beneficiaries.
> I'm trying to make sure my relative (the
> decedent's daughter) doesn't get hosed on
> this...
> She's contacted her late father's financial
> advisor (who works with American funds -- her
> dad's trad and Roth IRA accounts are with
> American). The advisor is trying like heck to
> discourage my relative from transferring her
> share of the inherited IRA to an inherited IRA
> account at Fidelity (which is where all her
> other investments are kept).
> Anyhow, after finally and politely getting the
> advisor to admit defeat, he said she could do
> a "60-day rollover" to get the money into the
> inherited IRA account at Fido. She has NOT
> signed off on that yet.
> I am under th impression that this could not be
> done -- if a check made payable to her is sent,
> it'll (a) all be taxable income (except from the
> funds from the Roth), and (b) it will not be able
> to be put back into inherited IRA accounts.
> =A0=A0In other words, only a direct
> trustee-to-trustee transfer will do the trick
> (which could involve a check, as long as the
> check is made out to "Fidelity FBO [whatever]"
> and not to my relative).
> Is my understanding correct?

Yes, I believe so.

> And if so, could you point to pubs/regs/IRC
> that states this, so I can give that reference to
> my relative so she can in turn quote it at the
> advisor.

Simply by visiting the irs website --

[from http://www.irs.gov/publications/590/ch01/]

-- you can copy the following:

<snip>
Inherited from someone other than spouse. =A0=A0If you
inherit a traditional IRA from anyone other than your
deceased spouse, you cannot treat the inherited IRA as your
own. This means that you cannot make any contributions to
the IRA. It also means you cannot roll over any amounts into
or out of the inherited IRA. However, you can make a
trustee-to-trustee transfer as long as the IRA into which
amounts are being moved is set up and maintained in the name
of the deceased IRA owner for the benefit of you as
beneficiary. =A0=A0Like the original owner, you generally
will not owe tax on the assets in the IRA until you receive
distributions from it. You must begin receiving
distributions from the IRA under the rules for distributions
that apply to beneficiaries.
<snip>

That seems pretty definitive. There is a cross reference to
other sections regarding calculations for the RMD (Required
Minimum Distributions), which, for a beneficiary other than
spouse, can mean determining life expectancy for the
year-following-death, and thereafter, so even a younger
person could be forced to take RMDs at age 53 (in one
example) -- which, logically, is the reason for not
permitting any "rollovers" which might blur the status and
mingling funds with the beneficiary's IRA.

But your friend or you can easily review the entire Pub 590
-- either online (as I just did) or by downloading pdf or
arrange to get a hard copy from IRS.

Bill

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