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Re: 401K vs IRA maximum annual contribution limit difference tbone@steak.com 04-14-2006
Posted by tbone@steak.com on April 14, 2006, 4:04 am
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>> You seem to be assuming that you have to choose one or the
>> other, so they should be comparable. But since you can have
>> *both* a 401k and an IRA, why should they be similar?

I am referring to traditional IRA, not Roth IRA. My
understanding is that once you contribute with pre-tax money
to 401K (let's say max out at $15K), you are not eligible
for contributing pre-tax money to IRA. However, I think you
would be allowed to contribute up to $4K to IRA if you elect
not to participate in 401k.

So if my above interpretation is correct, then traditional
IRA and 401k are indeed exclusive with pre-tax money.

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Posted by Phil Marti on April 15, 2006, 2:08 am
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> I am referring to traditional IRA, not Roth IRA. My
> understanding is that once you contribute with pre-tax money
> to 401K (let's say max out at $15K), you are not eligible
> for contributing pre-tax money to IRA.

You misunderstand. Coverage by the 401(k) does make
deductibility of traditional IRA contributions subject to
the AGI phaseouts, but it doesn't preclude them.

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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on April 15, 2006, 2:08 am
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> I am referring to traditional IRA, not Roth IRA. My
> understanding is that once you contribute with pre-tax money
> to 401K (let's say max out at $15K), you are not eligible
> for contributing pre-tax money to IRA.

That's incorrect.

The amount of money you contribute to a 401(k) has nothing
to do with the amount of deductible contributions that can
be made to a traditional IRA:
* First off, if your income is low enough, your full trad
IRA contribution is deductible no matter how much you
(and/or your employer) contribute to your 401(k).
* Second, if your income is high enough and you "participate"
in a 401(k), some/all of any trad IRA contribution will
be non-deductible. However, that has nothing to do with
how much you and/or your employer contribute to the 401(k).
Just "participating" in the 401(k), even if you make no
contributions at all, will activate the deduction limitation
rules.

> So if my above interpretation is correct, then traditional
> IRA and 401k are indeed exclusive with pre-tax money.

It's not and they aren't.

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Rich Carreiro rlcarr@animato.arlington.ma.us

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Posted by Barry Margolin on April 15, 2006, 2:59 am
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>>> You seem to be assuming that you have to choose one or the
>>> other, so they should be comparable. But since you can have
>>> *both* a 401k and an IRA, why should they be similar?

> I am referring to traditional IRA, not Roth IRA. My

So am I.

> understanding is that once you contribute with pre-tax money
> to 401K (let's say max out at $15K), you are not eligible
> for contributing pre-tax money to IRA.

But you can still contribute to an IRA, it just won't be
deductible, i.e. it will be post-tax rather than pre-tax.

> However, I think you
> would be allowed to contribute up to $4K to IRA if you elect
> not to participate in 401k.

Actually, the restriction applies if you're covered by a
401K (or some other qualified retirement plan), regardless
of whether you choose to contribute, and only if your income
is above a threshold.

> So if my above interpretation is correct, then traditional
> IRA and 401k are indeed exclusive with pre-tax money.

True, but why should we restrict the discussion to pre-tax?
I contribute to my 401K and also max out my traditional IRA
contribution. In years when I'm eligible I contribute to a
Roth IRA instead of traditional.

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Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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