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Re: Is the Credit Shelter Trust a Grantor Trust? jba 10-08-2007
Posted by jba on October 8, 2007, 6:43 pm
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>> Husband is the primary beneficiary of the wife's
>> testamentary credit shelter trust.
>>
>> Since the trust allows the husband's inter vivos
>> distribution of corpus to one or more descendants without a
>> reasonably definite standard, it does not meet the
>> requirements for an exception under =3DA7674(b)(5). As a
>> result, I have concluded that (1) the trust is a grantor
>> trust for income tax purposes under =3DA7674(a), and (2) the
>> trust assets are not includable in the surviving spouse's
>> estate at death under =3DA72036 or =3DA72038 despite the
>> retained beneficial interest or powers.

> I think your problem is that the husband is not the
> "grantor" so =A7674 does not apply. Remember that a credit
> shelter trust is generally made up of assets belonging to
> the deceased spouse and not the surviving spouse.
>
> The income is taxed to the husband because income
> distributed from a complex trust is taxed to the recipient.
>
> Whether or not the assets are included in the surviving
> spouse's estate is determined under =A72056, not 2036 or 2038.
>
> Of course I'd have to read the precise wording of the trust
> to be sure, but that's normally how credit shelter trusts
> are drafted.

Thanks for the input and for helping to focus the issues. If
the surviving spouse can't be the "grantor" for tax purposes
because it is the decedent's trust---Then, are we sure the
beneficiary can't be the owner for tax purposes under 674?
What if he had the power to add a class of
beneficiaries--like wives of descendants or charities? What
if he had the power of substitution?--see 675(4)(c)--675
also says "grantor". What if he can take a market-rate
interest loan from the trust without putting up "adequate"
security? See 675(3).

I don't think any of these powers would cause the trust to
be included in the surviving spouse's estate, yet they are
rarely given. The power of substitution power would be a
natural one to include. Think of it this way--if it were a
grantor trust, the "owner" can exchange assets with the
trust's assets without a sale occurring--for example high
basis assets can be exchanged with low-basis trust assets,
thereby getting a step-up on them at the owner's death.

If it is not a grantor trust, because 675 says "grantor" and
the grantor is deceased--then why not give the surviving
spouse the ability to substitute assets for equivalent
value. Even if there is no basis improvement, I'm sure that
it would be a useful power to have in many situations. So,
if it doesn't cause an estate tax problem-- and it
doesn't--why doesn't anyone give the surviving spouse this
power?

One answer is because they're afraid it might make it a
grantor trust, and that might somehow make it more likely to
be included in the surviving spouse's estate--just a guess.
It may me just a holdover--doing it the same old way bygone
days when individual rates were significantly higher than
trust tax rates.

Finally, suppose also that I don't care if the bypass trust
gets included in the surviving spouses' estate, e.g. the
total would be less than the exemption. What powers or
actions would produce a grantor trust result in the meantime
without changing the basic purposes of the trust?

Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on October 9, 2007, 2:08 am
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jba wrote:

> Thanks for the input and for helping to focus the issues. If
> the surviving spouse can't be the "grantor" for tax purposes
> because it is the decedent's trust---Then, are we sure the
> beneficiary can't be the owner for tax purposes under 674?

Only a grantor could be treated as a grantor under §674. A
beneficiary, or other person, might be treated as a grantor
under § 678, if the statute provides that the person is
treated that way. Under that section a beneficiary can be
taxed on trust income to the extent he (briefly) has or had
the power, exercisable only by himself, to distribute
principal to himself.

> What if he had the power to add a class of
> beneficiaries--like wives of descendants or charities? What
> if he had the power of substitution?--see 675(4)(c)--675
> also says "grantor". What if he can take a market-rate
> interest loan from the trust without putting up "adequate"
> security? See 675(3).

You still haven't given all the information requested, and
if it's a trust qualifying under §2056 that could add a
level of complication. But normally those rules apply only
to grantors, not to anyone else, except as noted above.

> If it is not a grantor trust, because 675 says "grantor" and
> the grantor is deceased--then why not give the surviving
> spouse the ability to substitute assets for equivalent
> value.

That's done frequently in §2056 trusts. The trustee has the
ability to allocate property to either the A trust or the B
trust, as long as each trust is funded with assets with the
proper values.

> Finally, suppose also that I don't care if the bypass trust
> gets included in the surviving spouses' estate, e.g. the
> total would be less than the exemption. What powers or
> actions would produce a grantor trust result in the meantime
> without changing the basic purposes of the trust?

It depends on what purposes you mean. There are two basic
purposes of these trusts. One is to avoid probate. The
other is to avoid unnecessary estate taxes.

By definition it's not a "bypass" trust if it's included in
the surviving spouse's estate, becase in that case it would
not bypass that estate.

Just tell us exactly what you are trying to accomplish, and
you might get a useful answer. But so far vague questions
really don't have any practical meaning.

Stu

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