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Re: estimated taxes safe harbor Brew1 09-05-2007
Posted by Harlan Lunsford on September 15, 2007, 3:53 am
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>>>> The IRS e-file standards (Pub 1345a) will not allow you to e-file
>>>> when 50% or more of your gross Form 1099 distribution is withheld
>>>> as taxes.

>>> There is a similar restriction for W-2s. Would anyone care
>>> to speculate as to why the IRS imposes these restrictions
>>> for e-filing?

>> The 50% was an arbitrary percentage designed to indicate the
>> possibility that any such W2 just might be fraudulent. IOW
>> they saw in the early days of efiling that most all the
>> cases of EIC fraud included this one indicator.

> Do they think that these people are less likely to try to
> submit a fraudulent return if they have to mail paper?
>
> If this is a common fraud indicator, why don't they just put
> it in their super-secret audit criteria?

HAH! You're asking ME how THEY think? (grin

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by Bob Sandler on September 16, 2007, 3:27 am
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>>>> The IRS e-file standards (Pub 1345a) will not allow you to e-file
>>>> when 50% or more of your gross Form 1099 distribution is withheld
>>>> as taxes.

>>> There is a similar restriction for W-2s. Would anyone care
>>> to speculate as to why the IRS imposes these restrictions
>>> for e-filing?

>> The 50% was an arbitrary percentage designed to indicate the
>> possibility that any such W2 just might be fraudulent. IOW
>> they saw in the early days of efiling that most all the
>> cases of EIC fraud included this one indicator.

> Do they think that these people are less likely to try to
> submit a fraudulent return if they have to mail paper?

Ah, yes, I think that's the answer. It didn't occur to me
before. By making the taxpayer mail in a paper return, the
IRS forces them to attach a paper W-2 or 1099-R form showing
the withholding. If they e-file, all they have to do is key
in the made-up numbers.

Of course they could prepare a fake W-2 or 1099-R, but that
does add a level of difficulty. They can't pick up blank W-2
or 1099-R forms at the post office or the public library.
And one of those forms filled in by hand would be an obvious
tip-off. They have to find a way to type or print the
information on the form.

So, yes, they are less likely to submit a fraudulent return
if they have to mail a paper return.

Bob Sandler

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