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Reporting return of principle jo 03-23-2008
Posted by jo on March 23, 2008, 11:12 am
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Is it necessary to report return of principle on Schedule D? It
always nets to 0, so has no effect on the bottom line. However, it is
broken down in my broker's 1099, so total proceeds from broker would
not match the government's value (assuming they are given this for
auditing) if I don't report them. It's such a tedious operation,
especially now that it appears that Turbo Tax is throwing all
transactions without a purchase date (all the ROPs) into short term
gains when you import.

jo

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Posted by joetaxpayer on March 23, 2008, 1:03 pm
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jo wrote:
> Is it necessary to report return of principle on Schedule D? It
> always nets to 0, so has no effect on the bottom line. However, it is
> broken down in my broker's 1099, so total proceeds from broker would
> not match the government's value (assuming they are given this for
> auditing) if I don't report them. It's such a tedious operation,
> especially now that it appears that Turbo Tax is throwing all
> transactions without a purchase date (all the ROPs) into short term
> gains when you import.

I hope I am not misreading the question. The proceeds of a stock sale is
always the gross amount. If you buy a stock at $100 and sell for $100,
you cannot ignore the transaction, you must report the full $100 sale
and since you enter the cost of $100, the result is $0.
The IRS matches up the gross proceeds, so that's what you must make sure
you reconcile fully. You use the phrase 'return of principle' which
really doesn't apply to stock transactions. Which is why I suspect I
misunderstood.
Joe
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Posted by jo on March 23, 2008, 2:40 pm
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> jo wrote:
> > Is it necessary to report return of principle on Schedule D?  It
> > always nets to 0, so has no effect on the bottom line.  However, it is
> > broken down in my broker's 1099, so  total proceeds from broker would
> > not match the government's value (assuming they are given this for
> > auditing) if I don't report them.  It's such a tedious operation,
> > especially now that it appears that Turbo Tax is throwing all
> > transactions without a purchase date  (all the ROPs) into short term
> > gains when you import.
>
> I hope I am not misreading the question. The proceeds of a stock sale is
> always the gross amount. If you buy a stock at $100 and sell for $100,
> you cannot ignore the transaction, you must report the full $100 sale
> and since you enter the cost of $100, the result is $0.
> The IRS matches up the gross proceeds, so that's what you must make sure
> you reconcile fully. You use the phrase 'return of principle' which
> really doesn't apply to stock transactions. Which is why I suspect I
> misunderstood.
> Joewww.blog.joetaxpayer.com
>

These transactions were for bonds and unit trusts, not stocks. They
appear in the proceeds from broker, so I guess my instinct that they
must be reported was accurate. I've done it that way before, and the
only reason I was going down this path was because when I imported
them into Turbotax, they all ended up in the Short Term gain category
and it was confusing as to how to get them out of there. I've since
found a worksheet for imported transactions that will do that, but
it's still annoying. Wish purchase dates and cost values for simple
transactions got captured so this didn't happen. You'd think the
brokerages would be able to download this information since it shows
up on their own records.


jo





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Posted by Paul Thomas on March 23, 2008, 8:42 pm
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>> > Is it necessary to report return of principle on Schedule D? It
>> > always nets to 0, so has no effect on the bottom line. However, it is
>> > broken down in my broker's 1099, so total proceeds from broker would
>> > not match the government's value (assuming they are given this for
>> > auditing) if I don't report them. It's such a tedious operation,
>> > especially now that it appears that Turbo Tax is throwing all
>> > transactions without a purchase date (all the ROPs) into short term
>> > gains when you import.
>>
>> I hope I am not misreading the question. The proceeds of a stock sale is
>> always the gross amount. If you buy a stock at $100 and sell for $100,
>> you cannot ignore the transaction, you must report the full $100 sale
>> and since you enter the cost of $100, the result is $0.
>> The IRS matches up the gross proceeds, so that's what you must make sure
>> you reconcile fully. You use the phrase 'return of principle' which
>> really doesn't apply to stock transactions. Which is why I suspect I
>> misunderstood.
>> Joewww.blog.joetaxpayer.com
>>
>
> These transactions were for bonds and unit trusts, not stocks. They
> appear in the proceeds from broker, so I guess my instinct that they
> must be reported was accurate. I've done it that way before, and the
> only reason I was going down this path was because when I imported
> them into Turbotax, they all ended up in the Short Term gain category
> and it was confusing as to how to get them out of there.





You date the buy date and sell date accurately, and they appear as long - or
short term as appropriate.




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Posted by BeanTownSteve on March 24, 2008, 1:27 pm
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>
>
> SNIP
>
> > These transactions were for bonds and unit trusts, not stocks. They
> > appear in the proceeds from broker, so I guess my instinct that they
> > must be reported was accurate. I've done it that way before, and the
> > only reason I was going down this path was because when I imported
> > them into Turbotax, they all ended up in the Short Term gain category
> > and it was confusing as to how to get them out of there.
>
>SNIP>
Not sure about the unit trusts but I would think it unusual for
bond(s) to be sold for
exactly it's purchase price. Not only does the instrument change in
value due to both time and market
conditions, there's also commissions and fees etc. (I assume) that
will alter the net proceeds.

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