Home Page link  

Roth IRA? Please explain the taxes in reference to Roth IRA vs. Traditional

 

Taxes General Forum - Tax professionals meeting place and answers to queries. (Moderated)

 Post an article  get this group's latest topics as an RSS feed add this group's latest topics to your My MSN content add this group's latest topics to your My Yahoo content  add this group's latest topics to your Google content  YahooMyWeb Yahoo!  Google Google  Windows Live Favorites Windows Live  del.icio.us del.icio.us  digg digg  Add to Netscape Netscape
Subject Author Date
Roth IRA? Please explain the taxes in reference to Roth IRA vs. Traditional Zigball 04-03-2008
Posted by Zigball on April 4, 2008, 1:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Hello All,
>
> > > > I am trying to figure out the Roth IRA for tax purpose.  Is there
> > > > anyone who can give me understanding for a 1040 tax return.  I found
> > > > that non deductible contributions and deductible contributions make a
> > > > difference with Roth IRA contributions,
>
> > > "Deductible contributions" and "non-deductible contributions"
> > > are terms pertaining to TRADITIONAL IRAs, not Roth IRAs.
>
> > > You do not report the Roth IRA contributions you make.
>
> > > --
> > > Rich Carreiro                            rlc-n...@rlcarr.com
>
> > > --
> > > << ------------------------------------------------------- >>
> > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used,   >>
> > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties  >>
> > > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer.                  >>
> > > <<                                                         >>
> > > <<   The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts   >>
> > > <<  to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy  >>
> > > <<                  are atwww.asktax.org.                 >>
> > > <<         Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved.         >>
> > > << ------------------------------------------------------- >>
>
> > Thanks to all,
> > In Addition:
>
> > Strange I used to work for a brokerage firm, I should know a little.
> > Besides is it safe to assume that the IRS assumes that all Roth IRA
> > contributions are pre-taxed or am I in a galaxy far far away?  How are
> > Roth IRA contributions made? Where does the contributions have to come
> > from (are there regulations) and are the contributions ever taxed on a
> > Roth Ira(if so when and how in basis)?
>
> > Traditional IRA's, is the contributions taxed twice if you contribute
> > income from your net income (job)? I need better understandings of
> > these things I will appreciate any one's help again, thanks in
> > advance.
>
> Zigball, these are the general principles:
>
> Contributions to a traditional IRA are deductible in arriving at
> adjusted gross income in the year in which the contribution is made --
> i.e., they come from pre-tax income. The amount that may be
> contributed and deducted is limited, and an individual who is covered
> by an employer retirement plan or has income above a certain level may
> not contribute to a traditional IRA.  When you withdraw funds from a
> traditional IRA, usually every dollar you withdraw is taxable as
> ordinary income.   After the taxpayer reaches age 70-1/2, a specified
> minimum amount (the "required minimum distribution," or RMD) must be
> withdrawn and included in taxable income each year.  Any balance
> remaining in an IRA at the taxpayer's death is taxable income ("income
> in respect of the decedent") to the heirs.
>
> A Roth IRA is a special kind of IRA that can receive nondeductible
> contributions and, if certain conditions are met, all distributions
> from a Roth IRA are tax-free.  There are no RMDs, so funds may be left
> in a Roth IRA and the taxpayer's heirs may inherit the account without
> recognizing taxable income.
>
> You can convert a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by rolling the funds
> over.  The amount rolled into the Roth account is taxable income;
> however, the income and tax liability may be spread over 4 years (it
> will be 2 years after 2011).
>
> These are just the general principles.  There are a lot of details.
> Consult a professional tax adviser before deciding whether you can or
> should contribute to a traditional or Roth IRA, or whether you should
> roll a traditional into a Roth.
>
> Katie in San Diego
>
> --
> << ------------------------------------------------------- >>
> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used,   >>
> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties  >>
> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer.                  >>
> <<                                                         >>
> <<   The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts   >>
> <<  to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy  >>
> <<                  are atwww.asktax.org.                 >>
> <<         Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved.         >>
> << ------------------------------------------------------- >>- Hide quoted
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you Katie for your answer.

I want to clarify this, so if I took my pre taxed income and
contributed it to a IRA account then the current year tax return I
would record the IRA contributions as income and then take the
deduction for the whole amount contributed to reduce it to zero? Do
you know what the limits are to contribute to an IRA I think $4000 a
year and what are the limits to the deduction I assume less than $4000?

========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
Please delete all unnecessary material from the prior message when
responding.

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>
<< The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
<< nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
<< >>
<< The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
<< to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
<< are at www.asktax.org. >>
<< Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >>
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>

Posted by Katie on April 6, 2008, 8:56 pm
Please log in for more thread options
>
> Thank you Katie for your answer.
>
> I want to clarify this, so if I took my pre taxed income and
> contributed it to a IRA account then the current year tax return I
> would record the IRA contributions as income and then take the
> deduction for the whole amount contributed to reduce it to zero?  Do
> you know what the limits are to contribute to an IRA I think $4000 a
> year and what are the limits to the deduction I assume less than $4000?
>


You're talking about a traditional IRA here, not a Roth. You have
until April 15 to establish an IRA account and made a contribution to
it that will be deductible on your 2007 income tax return. You can
contribute and deduct $4,000; however, if you or your spouse is an
active participant in an employer pension plan, the amount that can be
contributed and deducted is reduced (phases out) at higher income
levels.

If you want to do this you need to see a tax pro right away -- who may
not be thrilled to talk to you at this late date in the filing season.

Katie in San Diego

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>
<< The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
<< nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
<< >>
<< The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
<< to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
<< are at www.asktax.org. >>
<< Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >>
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>

Posted by Phil Marti on April 4, 2008, 6:20 am
Please log in for more thread options
"Zigball" wrote:

> Strange I used to work for a brokerage firm, I should know a little.

Why? Every brokerage has fine print saying "Don't rely on us for tax
advice." That's because at least their lawyers know they don't know enough,
even if the person you draw on their 800 number thinks he does.

> Besides is it safe to assume that the IRS assumes that all Roth IRA
> contributions are pre-taxed or am I in a galaxy far far away?

No, you're not in another galaxy, which, along with the fact that you have
access to a computer, means you can mosey over to www.irs.gov and get a copy
of IRS Publication 590, which has answers to all your questions. If
something remains unclear after you do your homework, please provide a Pub
590 reference.

The "whys" are because of the law, in most cases sections 408 and 408A of
the Internal Revenue Code, and the regulations in connection with them.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>
<< The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
<< nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
<< >>
<< The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
<< to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
<< are at www.asktax.org. >>
<< Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >>
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>

Posted by D. Stussy on April 5, 2008, 2:13 am
Please log in for more thread options
> ...
> Strange I used to work for a brokerage firm, I should know a little.
> Besides is it safe to assume that the IRS assumes that all Roth IRA
> contributions are pre-taxed or am I in a galaxy far far away? How are
> Roth IRA contributions made? Where does the contributions have to come
> from (are there regulations) and are the contributions ever taxed on a
> Roth Ira(if so when and how in basis)?

All Roth-IRA contributions are POST-TAX. No deduction in, and normally no
income out (penalty situations notwithstanding).

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>
<< The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >>
<< nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
<< that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
<< >>
<< The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
<< to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
<< are at www.asktax.org. >>
<< Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >>
<< ------------------------------------------------------- >>

Similar ThreadsPosted
Traditional vs. Roth IRA April 12, 2007, 12:44 am
Should a 60 yr-old guy convert a traditional IRA to Roth IRA? January 16, 2007, 3:54 am
Advice on coverting Traditional IRA to ROTH January 1, 2008, 11:14 am
Rollover of Roth 401k into Roth IRA February 11, 2008, 2:17 pm
How are 457 to Roth IRA rollover taxes handled? February 6, 2008, 1:01 pm
ira/Roth December 12, 2006, 1:56 am
SEP / Roth IRA February 11, 2008, 2:19 pm
What can a Roth IRA own? April 20, 2008, 1:06 pm
Roth IRA May 4, 2008, 11:26 am
roth IRA conversion yes or no? December 20, 2006, 1:26 am

Contact Us | Privacy Policy
This site is not affiliated with Intuit - makers of Quickbooks and Quicken software
This site is not affiliated with Sage Software - makers of Peachtree accounting software
XML SitemapXML Sitemap