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Roth IRA contribution limit ehw6 06-18-2006
Posted by ehw6 on June 18, 2006, 11:48 pm
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I have a question regarding the Roth IRA contribution limit.
I made a contribution of $3000 to my 2005 Roth IRA before
the April 17 2006 deadline thinking the limit for me was
$4000 (I don't have other retirement accounts such as
traditional IRA, etc). The other day I was reading
Publication 590 and realized I might have made a mistake.
Here's what Pub. 590 says about the Roth IRA contribution
limit:

Roth IRA contribution limit. If contributions were made on
your behalf only to Roth IRAs, your contribution limit for
2005 is generally the lesser of: $4,000, or Your taxable
compensation for the year.

The term "taxable compensation" in the second one is very
confusing to me. My modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes was
low enough so it shouldn't affect anything. My uncertainty
is the following. My AGI (line 37 of Form 1040) was so low
that after taking the $5000 standard deduction and $3200
exemption my taxable income (line 43 of Form 1040) was zero,
which means I got all my year 2005 income tax back. Do this
mean my "taxable compensation" for 2005 was also zero and
thus I should have made zero contribution to my 2005 Roth
IRA since zero is the lesser of $4000 and my taxable
compensation for the year? Pub. 590 only gives the
definition of "compensation", not "taxable compensation".
I'm guessing the latter is different than another term
"taxable income" because tax laws usually use terms
precisely. I even email IRA and got a reply. But in the
reply the employee went on and on with explanations about
"compensation" instead of "taxable compensation", which is
useless to my case. So I'm turning to this forum to seek
some clarifications on my question. Please help me
determine what my contribution limit for 2005 Roth IRA
really was. Thanks a lot!

Wen

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Posted by Seth Breidbart on June 20, 2006, 1:53 am
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> The term "taxable compensation" in the second one is very
> confusing to me. My modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes was
> low enough so it shouldn't affect anything. My uncertainty
> is the following. My AGI (line 37 of Form 1040) was so low
> that after taking the $5000 standard deduction and $3200
> exemption my taxable income (line 43 of Form 1040) was zero,
> which means I got all my year 2005 income tax back. Do this
> mean my "taxable compensation" for 2005 was also zero

No. Your taxable compensation was the amount of
compensation you received, unless some of it was
specifically not taxable (though I'm not sure how that would
happen; maybe some small prizes are exempt).

The fact that the tax rate on your taxable compensation was
0% doesn't mean it wasn't taxable.

Seth

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Posted by Herb Smith on June 20, 2006, 1:53 am
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ehw6 wrote:

> I have a question regarding the Roth IRA contribution limit.
> I made a contribution of $3000 to my 2005 Roth IRA before
> the April 17 2006 deadline thinking the limit for me was
> $4000 (I don't have other retirement accounts such as
> traditional IRA, etc). The other day I was reading
> Publication 590 and realized I might have made a mistake.
> Here's what Pub. 590 says about the Roth IRA contribution
> limit:
>
> Roth IRA contribution limit. If contributions were made on
> your behalf only to Roth IRAs, your contribution limit for
> 2005 is generally the lesser of: $4,000, or Your taxable
> compensation for the year.
>
> The term "taxable compensation" in the second one is very
> confusing to me. My modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes was
> low enough so it shouldn't affect anything. My uncertainty
> is the following. My AGI (line 37 of Form 1040) was so low
> that after taking the $5000 standard deduction and $3200
> exemption my taxable income (line 43 of Form 1040) was zero,
> which means I got all my year 2005 income tax back. Do this
> mean my "taxable compensation" for 2005 was also zero and
> thus I should have made zero contribution to my 2005 Roth
> IRA since zero is the lesser of $4000 and my taxable
> compensation for the year? Pub. 590 only gives the
> definition of "compensation", not "taxable compensation".
> I'm guessing the latter is different than another term
> "taxable income" because tax laws usually use terms
> precisely. I even email IRA and got a reply. But in the
> reply the employee went on and on with explanations about
> "compensation" instead of "taxable compensation", which is
> useless to my case. So I'm turning to this forum to seek
> some clarifications on my question. Please help me
> determine what my contribution limit for 2005 Roth IRA
> really was. Thanks a lot!

What did your Adjusted Gross Income consist of? Was it W-2
wages (line 7), self employment income, interest, dividends
or Social Security income? Did you receive alimony?

The W-2 wages, self employment income and alimony are all
"taxable compensation". Interest, dividends and Social
Security or pension are NOT.

Note "taxable compensation" IS NOT your "taxable income".

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Posted by bono9763@yahoo.com on June 20, 2006, 2:12 am
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ehw6 wrote:

> I have a question regarding the Roth IRA contribution limit.
> I made a contribution of $3000 to my 2005 Roth IRA before
> the April 17 2006 deadline thinking the limit for me was
> $4000 (I don't have other retirement accounts such as
> traditional IRA, etc). The other day I was reading
> Publication 590 and realized I might have made a mistake.
> Here's what Pub. 590 says about the Roth IRA contribution
> limit:
>
> Roth IRA contribution limit. If contributions were made on
> your behalf only to Roth IRAs, your contribution limit for
> 2005 is generally the lesser of: $4,000, or Your taxable
> compensation for the year.
>
> The term "taxable compensation" in the second one is very
> confusing to me. My modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes was
> low enough so it shouldn't affect anything. My uncertainty
> is the following. My AGI (line 37 of Form 1040) was so low
> that after taking the $5000 standard deduction and $3200
> exemption my taxable income (line 43 of Form 1040) was zero,
> which means I got all my year 2005 income tax back. Do this
> mean my "taxable compensation" for 2005 was also zero and
> thus I should have made zero contribution to my 2005 Roth
> IRA since zero is the lesser of $4000 and my taxable
> compensation for the year? Pub. 590 only gives the
> definition of "compensation", not "taxable compensation".
> I'm guessing the latter is different than another term
> "taxable income" because tax laws usually use terms
> precisely. I even email IRA and got a reply. But in the
> reply the employee went on and on with explanations about
> "compensation" instead of "taxable compensation", which is
> useless to my case. So I'm turning to this forum to seek
> some clarifications on my question. Please help me
> determine what my contribution limit for 2005 Roth IRA
> really was. Thanks a lot!

Taxable compensation is any compensation on which you pay taxes.
Generally, this is compensation reported to you on a W-2 and reported
on your 1040 on line 7, and net income from self-employment, reported
on line 12 of your 1040. So your W-2 income and net income from
self-employment had to have been at least $3000 in order for you to
make a contribution to your Roth IRA. If you are married and filing
jointly, you can include compensation from your spouse, so that the sum
of line 7 (wages) and line 12 (business income) must be equal to or
greater than the total of IRA contributions for both of you.

Dennis

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Posted by Herb Smith on June 20, 2006, 4:31 am
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Seth Breidbart wrote:

>> The term "taxable compensation" in the second one is very
>> confusing to me. My modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes was
>> low enough so it shouldn't affect anything. My uncertainty
>> is the following. My AGI (line 37 of Form 1040) was so low
>> that after taking the $5000 standard deduction and $3200
>> exemption my taxable income (line 43 of Form 1040) was zero,
>> which means I got all my year 2005 income tax back. Do this
>> mean my "taxable compensation" for 2005 was also zero

> No. Your taxable compensation was the amount of
> compensation you received, unless some of it was
> specifically not taxable (though I'm not sure how that would
> happen; maybe some small prizes are exempt).

Or not "compensation", such as interest, dividends, pensions,
IRA withdrawals, etc., taxable or not.

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