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Schedule A or Standard Deduction quickcur@yahoo.com 06-21-2006
Posted by quickcur@yahoo.com on June 21, 2006, 10:55 pm
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I filed tax return extensions in April for both my Fed Tax
Return and California Tax Return. I paid about $9000 for
California Tax at that time. Now I am working on filing the
return and found out that I need to pay about $11000 for
California Tax.

In this case, for 1040, should I use the Standard Deduction or
Itermized deduction? In Schedue A of 1040, for the state tax item,
should I put $9000, or $11000?

Thank you very much.

qq

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Posted by Dick Adams on June 22, 2006, 8:58 pm
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quickcur@yahoo.com wrote:

> I filed tax return extensions in April for both my Fed Tax
> Return and California Tax Return. I paid about $9000 for
> California Tax at that time. Now I am working on filing the
> return and found out that I need to pay about $11000 for
> California Tax.
>
> In this case, for 1040, should I use the Standard Deduction or
> Itermized deduction?

Maybe I don't understand your question, but I would think that you
would use whichever gave you the best tax result (greater amount of
deductions). Should be a no-brainer.

> In Schedue A of 1040, for the state tax item,
> should I put $9000, or $11000?

You can only claim the actual amount of state tax or
withholding that you paid in 2005, regardless of your state
tax liability.

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Posted by Nan, EA in LA on June 22, 2006, 8:58 pm
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If I understand you correctly - neither - since all the
payments FOR 2005 were paid in 2006. Schedule A is purely
calendar basis. Not accrual. You deduct on Schedule A only
those state taxes PAID IN 2005, no matter what year they
were for.

We run into problems with clients who pay their 4 estimates
according to the date on the vouchers, and don't understand
why we use what they paid to California in January 2005 FOR
THE FOURTH PAYMENT FOR 2004, and don't use the 4th payment
for 2005 made in January 2006.

Withholding, on the other hand, is always paid within the
calendar year.

Nan, EA in LA

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Posted by Bob Sandler on June 26, 2006, 1:57 pm
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> We run into problems with clients who pay their 4 estimates
> according to the date on the vouchers, and don't understand
> why we use what they paid to California in January 2005 FOR
> THE FOURTH PAYMENT FOR 2004, and don't use the 4th payment
> for 2005 made in January 2006.

One preparer told me that she tells all her clients to pay the
4th installment in December, to avoid having to try to explain
this.

Bob Sandler

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Posted by D. Stussy on June 27, 2006, 12:38 pm
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Nan, EA in LA wrote:

> If I understand you correctly - neither - since all the
> payments FOR 2005 were paid in 2006. Schedule A is purely
> calendar basis. Not accrual. You deduct on Schedule A only
> those state taxes PAID IN 2005, no matter what year they
> were for.

As to the accounting method used on schedule A, I must
disagree. It is whatever method the taxpayer has chosen
within the meaning of IRC 446. Although 446(d) allows a
taxpayer to have a differing method for each trade or
business from each other and/or his MAIN METHOD, there is
absolutely nothing in the IRC itself that mandates itemized
deductions as a whole to be cash basis only. I shall grant
that there are certain itemized deductions that seem as if
they are "cash basis" (e.g. contributions - requiring a
completed gift), but there are others that have no such
requirement (e.g. taxes, especially real estate property
tax).

> We run into problems with clients who pay their 4 estimates
> according to the date on the vouchers, and don't understand
> why we use what they paid to California in January 2005 FOR
> THE FOURTH PAYMENT FOR 2004, and don't use the 4th payment
> for 2005 made in January 2006.
>
> Withholding, on the other hand, is always paid within the
> calendar year.

True only because all your individual clients are cash basis
for their non-business affairs (as is 99% of the population,
but there are a few who are not).

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