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Spouses working in CA and TX, allocating income for CA state tax thoughtexp 03-13-2008
Posted by Seth on March 18, 2008, 10:34 pm
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> Katie, the problem I have is in determining, or being able to
> demonstrate, the specific state we intend to return to. We are not
> estranged, and our long-distance arrangement is currently indefinite,
> but we intend it to be temporary since one of us will return to the
> first state we can both find jobs in. This could be TX or CA, but I
> don't see a way to document or demonstrate this intent. As a result,
>I
> really can't determine the specific domicile based on "intent to
> return".

Have you left your home in Texas with no intention of ever returning to
it? If not, you're still domiciled there.

Seth

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Posted by Katie on March 19, 2008, 5:06 pm
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>  Thanks for your responses.
>
>  Katie, the problem I have is in determining, or being able to
>  demonstrate, the specific state we intend to return to. We are not
>  estranged, and our long-distance arrangement is currently indefinite,
>  but we intend it to be temporary since one of us will return to the
>  first state we can both find jobs in. This could be TX or CA, but I
>  don't see a way to document or demonstrate this intent. As a result,
> I
>  really can't determine the specific domicile based on "intent to
>  return".
>
>  We have met the three requirements you mentioned to change domicile
>  from NY, maintain no residence or other demonstrable ties there, and
>  have no intent to return there. And since there's no way to
>  demonstrate that one of us intends to move to join the other, it
> would
>  seem that we could only claim to be domiciled in our current resident
>  states.
>
>  Also, as your responses indicate, a domicile in either TX or CA would
>  be equivalent for tax purposes. Even if my wife were to claim to be
>  domiciled in TX,  half of my income for the period she is resident in
>  CA would still be taxable there. The only difference I can tell in
>  this case is that we would be able to file MFS, but this doesn't seem
>  to be a major advantage.
>
>  Please let me know if you think that claiming to be domiciled in our
>  current resident states seems incorrect or inadvisable.
>


Under the circumstances, considering yourselves domiciled in your
current states of residence may be appropriate; but it doesn't appear
that either of you has really settled with the intention of making a
permanent home. Changing domicile is not just a matter of not
intending to go back to the old place; it's a matter of moving to a
new place with the intention of staying there. Until you've done
that, your domicile hasn't changed -- and you are still both domiciled
in NY.

It does make a difference because NY is a separate property
jurisdiction. Retaining your NY domicile won't make you NY residents
as long as you (a) maintain no place of abode in NY; (2) do maintain a
place of abode somewhere else (in CA and TX respectively); and (3)
have spent no more than 30 days of the taxable year in NY. The
advantage of NY domicile is that CA would have no claim on any of your
TX compensation.

I would advise you to get professional help with this, preferably from
a tax attorney. Remember that free advice is worth what you pay for
it <G>.

Katie in San Diego

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on March 19, 2008, 10:50 am
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> Since TX andCAare both community property states, Dieter is correct,
> if your domicile is in either of those states, and you are not
> estranged, your current earnings are community income and must be
> split 50-50 for California purposes. So California gets your wife's
> community 1/2 of your Texas earnings, and both halves of her
> California source earnings. Also you must file jointly if you file
> jointly for federal purposes, because you (theCAnonresident spouse)
> haveCAsource income.

The above sounds like you'll be taxed on more than you earn. Suppose
TX had a state tax, then CA would tax the full amount of spouse1 who
worked in CA, and half of the amount of spouse2 who worked in TX.
Then assuming TX followed the same rules, then TX would tax the full
amount of spouse2, and half of spouse1 who worked in CA. Suppose
spouse1 made 10k in CA, spouse2 made 6k in TX; then CA would tax 13k,
and TX would tax 11k (6+10/2). So 24k is subject to state tax,
whereas income is only 16k. I'm pretty confused!

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Posted by Seth on March 19, 2008, 11:15 am
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>The above sounds like you'll be taxed on more than you earn. Suppose
>TX had a state tax, then CA would tax the full amount of spouse1 who
>worked in CA, and half of the amount of spouse2 who worked in TX.

There would be a credit for the TX taxes paid on the money earned in
TX.

>Then assuming TX followed the same rules, then TX would tax the full
>amount of spouse2, and half of spouse1 who worked in CA.

Likewise, TX would allow a credit of the CA taxes for the amount
earned in CA.

(Both credits would be limited to the amount the state granting them
would have taxed that income.)

Seth

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Posted by Katie on March 19, 2008, 4:57 pm
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On Mar 19, 8:15 am, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:
>
> >The above sounds like you'll be taxed on more than you earn.  Suppose
> >TX had a state tax, then CA would tax the full amount of spouse1 who
> >worked in CA, and half of the amount of spouse2 who worked in TX.
>
> There would be a credit for the TX taxes paid on the money earned in
> TX.
>
> >Then assuming TX followed the same rules, then TX would tax the full
> >amount of spouse2, and half of spouse1 who worked in CA.
>
> Likewise, TX would allow a credit of the CA taxes for the amount
> earned in CA.
>
> (Both credits would be limited to the amount the state granting them
> would have taxed that income.)
>
> Seth


Seth has this right. Generally, a taxpayer who is a resident of state
A and has income from a source in State B, the net tax liability
(after credits) is at the higher of the two states' average rates for
the taxpayer's filing status, income level, number of dependents, etc.

However, there are some situations where there is true double
taxation, especially where an individual meets the definition of a
resident (taxable on all income) in two states at the same time --
which does sometimes happen.

Katie in San Diego

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