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Subject Author Date Statutory Stock Options? How to tell? Medgya 02-16-2008  Re: Statutory Stock Options? How to tell? removeps-groups@yahoo.com 02-17-2008  Re: Statutory Stock Options? How to tell? Medgya 02-19-2008  Re: Statutory Stock Options? How to tell? removeps-groups@yahoo.com 02-19-2008  Re: Statutory Stock Options? How to tell? Alan 02-19-2008
Posted by Medgya on February 16, 2008, 12:03 pm Please log in for more thread options I'm a US citizen working in Japan and received stock options from my company (a Japanese firm) before we went public. How can I tell if, from the US point of view, these are statutory ISO options or non- statutory ones? Just reading some articles online, it seems that they meet the qualifications for ISO, but how to get an authoritative answer? For what it is worth, in Japan the options are "qualified" which means that they have treatment similar to that of American ISOs, but there could easily be differences as well. Thanks! -- << ------------------------------------------------------- >> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >> << >> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >> << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >> << are at www.asktax.org. >> << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >> << ------------------------------------------------------- >> Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on February 17, 2008, 8:38 pm Please log in for more thread options > I'm a US citizen working in Japan and received stock options from my > company (a Japanese firm) before we went public. How can I tell if, > from the US point of view, these are statutory ISO options or non- > statutory ones? Just reading some articles online, it seems that they > meet the qualifications for ISO, but how to get an authoritative > answer? > > For what it is worth, in Japan the options are "qualified" which means > that they have treatment similar to that of American ISOs, but there > could easily be differences as well. This might be a starting point. Look at section (422)(b). http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/www/t26-A-1-D-II-422.html -- << ------------------------------------------------------- >> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >> << >> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >> << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >> << are at www.asktax.org. >> << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >> << ------------------------------------------------------- >> Posted by Medgya on February 19, 2008, 1:17 am Please log in for more thread options On Feb 18, 10:38 am, "removeps-gro...@yahoo.com" <removeps- gro...@yahoo.com> wrote: > This might be a starting point. Look at section (422)(b). > > http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/www/t26-A-1-D-II-422.html Thanks very much for that. I'd seen mention of these different sections of the laws, but wasn't sure where to find them. It sounds like our options may qualify, but is there a way to verify that such that the IRS would be satisfied? The last thing I want is to find out three years down the road that they disagree, and owe a bunch of penalties. My Japanese tax accountant seems reluctant to take responsibility for such a judgment, and instead is suggesting that I pay an outside accounting firm for an opinion. Is there a better way? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- >> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >> << >> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >> << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >> << are at www.asktax.org. >> << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >> << ------------------------------------------------------- >> Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on February 19, 2008, 6:14 pm Please log in for more thread options > Thanks very much for that. I'd seen mention of these different > sections of the laws, but wasn't sure where to find them. It sounds > like our options may qualify, but is there a way to verify that such > that the IRS would be satisfied? The last thing I want is to find out > three years down the road that they disagree, and owe a bunch of > penalties. A good question. The requirements for statutory stock options are so general, that I think even many non-qualified stock options would be statutory. At this point you should probably consult a tax attorney or request a private letter ruling or determination. You can read about these private letter rulings at: http://www.wwwebtax.com/audits/private_letter_ruling.htm http://www.irs.gov/irb/2007-01_IRB/ar06.html#d0e3227 http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=151979,00.html It's so confusing that I think you would need a PLR to request what is user fee :) I think $275 for a determination might work. I'm not sure what's the difference between a determination and private letter ($625). There are attorneys that draft PLRs, so if you use them you could expect to pay even more. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- >> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >> << >> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >> << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >> << are at www.asktax.org. >> << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >> << ------------------------------------------------------- >> Posted by Alan on February 19, 2008, 8:02 pm Please log in for more thread options Medgya wrote: > On Feb 18, 10:38 am, "removeps-gro...@yahoo.com" <removeps- > gro...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> This might be a starting point. Look at section (422)(b). >> >> http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/www/t26-A-1-D-II-422.html > > Thanks very much for that. I'd seen mention of these different > sections of the laws, but wasn't sure where to find them. It sounds > like our options may qualify, but is there a way to verify that such > that the IRS would be satisfied? The last thing I want is to find out > three years down the road that they disagree, and owe a bunch of > penalties. > > My Japanese tax accountant seems reluctant to take responsibility for > such a judgment, and instead is suggesting that I pay an outside > accounting firm for an opinion. Is there a better way? > The following link has a very good explanation of what is required to have an ISO. The writeup includes references to the relevant sections of the IRC. http://www.nceo.org/library/equity.html -- << ------------------------------------------------------- >> << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, >> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >> << >> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >> << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >> << are at www.asktax.org. >> << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. >> << ------------------------------------------------------- >> Similar Threads Posted Stock Options February 18, 2007, 9:51 pm stock options April 15, 2006, 2:59 am Reporting Stock options February 17, 2009, 9:27 am Foreign Resident and Stock Options January 12, 2007, 2:47 am Non-Qualified Stock Options and Schedule D? February 3, 2009, 9:12 pm How to handle stock options that were NOT exercised and sold @ a loss? 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