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Student Loan Questions Dennis 01-16-2007
Posted by Dennis on January 16, 2007, 3:54 am
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Years ago, I co-signed for a P.L.A.T.O. GRE loan for my son.
For reasons unimportant to the questions, he was forced to
file bankruptcy in late 2005, a few months after payments on
the loan were started. Even though the loan was not part of
the bankruptcy, shortly after it was discharged, I got a
letter from Wells Fargo informing me that the loan had
reverted to me *because* of his bankruptcy. Being the nice
dad that I am <G>, I had actually started paying it about
that time anyhow as my last gift to him regarding his
education.

Saturday, I got the annual interest statement on the loan,
and to my surprise, they note that it was reported to the
IRS under my name and SSN. Even though I had been paying it
in the past (2005 tax year), I let him take the interest
deduction on his return, but I don't see how we can do that
this year since they reported it under my name/SSN.

We're only talking about a little over a hundred bucks back,
no matter which of us claims it. It's just that I don't
know how nit-picky the IRS is on such matters.

The questions:

Can he claim it if I elect not to?

Is it legitimate for me to claim it under any circumstances,
or do I *have to* because it's reported in my name?

Should we get Wells Fargo to send an amended statement
showing his name and SSN?

Thanks to anyone who might answer.

Dennis

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Posted by Herb Smith on January 16, 2007, 7:59 pm
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Dennis wrote:

> Years ago, I co-signed for a P.L.A.T.O. GRE loan for my son.
> For reasons unimportant to the questions, he was forced to
> file bankruptcy in late 2005, a few months after payments on
> the loan were started. Even though the loan was not part of
> the bankruptcy, shortly after it was discharged, I got a
> letter from Wells Fargo informing me that the loan had
> reverted to me *because* of his bankruptcy. Being the nice
> dad that I am <G>, I had actually started paying it about
> that time anyhow as my last gift to him regarding his
> education.
>
> Saturday, I got the annual interest statement on the loan,
> and to my surprise, they note that it was reported to the
> IRS under my name and SSN. Even though I had been paying it
> in the past (2005 tax year), I let him take the interest
> deduction on his return, but I don't see how we can do that
> this year since they reported it under my name/SSN.
>
> We're only talking about a little over a hundred bucks back,
> no matter which of us claims it. It's just that I don't
> know how nit-picky the IRS is on such matters.
>
> The questions:
>
> Can he claim it if I elect not to?
>
> Is it legitimate for me to claim it under any circumstances,
> or do I *have to* because it's reported in my name?
>
> Should we get Wells Fargo to send an amended statement
> showing his name and SSN?

Is your son your dependent?

If not, you don't qualify to claim the deduction. Payments
you have made are considered gifts to him, with the payments
credited to him. If he is your dependent, you are legally
obligated to make the payments, and actually do make the
payments then you can claim the deduction.

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Posted by Helpful One on January 18, 2007, 4:20 am
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> Dennis wrote:

>> Years ago, I co-signed for a P.L.A.T.O. GRE loan for my son.
>> For reasons unimportant to the questions, he was forced to
>> file bankruptcy in late 2005, a few months after payments on
>> the loan were started. Even though the loan was not part of
>> the bankruptcy, shortly after it was discharged, I got a
>> letter from Wells Fargo informing me that the loan had
>> reverted to me *because* of his bankruptcy. Being the nice
>> dad that I am <G>, I had actually started paying it about
>> that time anyhow as my last gift to him regarding his
>> education.
>>
>> Saturday, I got the annual interest statement on the loan,
>> and to my surprise, they note that it was reported to the
>> IRS under my name and SSN. Even though I had been paying it
>> in the past (2005 tax year), I let him take the interest
>> deduction on his return, but I don't see how we can do that
>> this year since they reported it under my name/SSN.
>>
>> We're only talking about a little over a hundred bucks back,
>> no matter which of us claims it. It's just that I don't
>> know how nit-picky the IRS is on such matters.
>>
>> The questions:
>>
>> Can he claim it if I elect not to?
>>
>> Is it legitimate for me to claim it under any circumstances,
>> or do I *have to* because it's reported in my name?
>>
>> Should we get Wells Fargo to send an amended statement
>> showing his name and SSN?

> Is your son your dependent?
>
> If not, you don't qualify to claim the deduction. Payments
> you have made are considered gifts to him, with the payments
> credited to him. If he is your dependent, you are legally
> obligated to make the payments, and actually do make the
> payments then you can claim the deduction.

Although, this doesn't address the OP's original question,
it does focus on the above response he received.

It would seem to me that if:
1) you were a co-signer for the loan, and
2) the loan has reverted to you, and
3) you are making the payments on the loan
then:
1) Your loan payments are being made to the lender in
fulfillment of your obligation, and
2) Are not a gift to your son and therefore, to the
extent that the loan qualifies for deduction, you
may deduct it whether your son is your dependent or
not.

However, if you want to let your son claim the deduction,
then
1) The loan payments become a gift to your son, and
2) you probably need to get an answer to your original
post,which I'll leave to the experts to do.

I might also suggest that if the value of the deduction is
only "a little over a hundred dollars not matter which of
you claims it", why don't you claim the deduction and then
gift your son the amount you will save in taxes.

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Posted by Dennis on January 19, 2007, 1:39 am
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"Helpful One" wrote:

> Although, this doesn't address the OP's original question,
> it does focus on the above response he received.
>
> It would seem to me that if:
> 1) you were a co-signer for the loan, and
> 2) the loan has reverted to you, and
> 3) you are making the payments on the loan
> then:
> 1) Your loan payments are being made to the lender in
> fulfillment of your obligation, and
> 2) Are not a gift to your son and therefore, to the
> extent that the loan qualifies for deduction, you
> may deduct it whether your son is your dependent or
> not.

This was my *non*professional interpretation, based simply
on the fact that Wells Fargo reported it to the IRS under my
name and SSN.

He is not my dependent now, and I honestly don't remember if
he was when the loan was originally signed, but I don't
think that matters a bit at this point in time.

> I might also suggest that if the value of the deduction is
> only "a little over a hundred dollars not matter which of
> you claims it", why don't you claim the deduction and then
> gift your son the amount you will save in taxes.

You think like me. :-) That was exactly what I was thinking
of doing.

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Posted by Shyster1040 on January 19, 2007, 9:03 pm
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Under the facts as described, the OP is legally liable to
pay the loan since he was the co-signer, and, assuming that
the loan was otherwise a "qualified education loan" the OP
can claim a deduction for student loan interest paid. See
Treas. Reg. 1.221-1(b)(1).

Since the OP's son is no longer legally obligated to pay the
loan (I assume that was the effect of his bankruptcy), he
cannot claim the deduction because there must be a legal
obligation to pay such interest. See Treas. Reg.
1.221-1(b)(1).

It's not so much a matter of whether the OP "must" report
the amount because it was reported in his name, but rather
that the OP is the only person to whom such a deduction is
allowed. If the OP's son claims the deduction, the
deduction will be denied on the basis that Wells Fargo did
not report him as the payor, and the son will then have to
prove that (a) he was liable on the loan, and (b) the OP
made the payment and received the Form as the son's nominee.
Since the son is no longer liable on the loan, he won't
succeed and the deduction will be denied. This is not a
place where you want to play the audit lottery because it's
a fairly automated process now to cross-check student loan
interest deduction claims against reports from lenders.

If the OP wants to give his son the benefit of the
deduction, the OP should claim it and then give his son cash
equal to the tax benefit of claiming the interest. If the
OP is in the 20% bracket and the payment was $110, the OP
would then give his son $22. That's clearly within the
limits for excludable gifts.

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