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Traditional vs. Roth IRA Victor Roberts 04-12-2007
Posted by Barry Margolin on April 13, 2007, 3:31 am
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> Actually, the situation still favors the traditional IRA,
> but only by a small amount.
>
> The reason for this is that withdrawals from a Roth IRA are
> not completely tax-free, they are tax-free up to the
> amount(s) contributed, and thereafter are included in
> income.

Not true. Qualified withdrawals are also tax-free.
Withdrawals are qualified as long as you're 59.5 years old
or disabled, and the account has been open at least 5 years.

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Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Posted by Phil Marti on April 14, 2007, 12:07 am
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> The reason for this is that withdrawals from a Roth IRA are
> not completely tax-free, they are tax-free up to the
> amount(s) contributed, and thereafter are included in
> income.

This is wrong. Qualified distributions from Roths are
totally tax-free. See IRS Publication 590.

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on April 14, 2007, 12:07 am
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> The reason for this is that withdrawals from a Roth IRA are
> not completely tax-free, they are tax-free up to the
> amount(s) contributed, and thereafter are included in
> income.

Huh? Once someone has had any Roth IRA open for at least
five years *and* is over age 59.5 (or is under but meets
some exceptions), withdrawals from a Roth IRA *are*
completely tax-free.

I didn't see anything in the original poster's email that
indicated a plan to withdraw funds prior to age 59.5.

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Posted by Bill on April 14, 2007, 12:07 am
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>> I've been thinking about the value of a
>> traditional vs. Roth IRA for my sons, who are
>> just starting out. In the process I came to the
>> conclusion that one is not automatically
>> necessarily better than the other, even for
>> young people. In fact, given two simple
>> assumptions, both types of IRAs give
>> EXACTLY the same results upon retirement.
>> [Elided for brevity]

> Actually, the situation still favors the traditional
> IRA, but only by a small amount.
>
> The reason for this is that withdrawals from a
> Roth IRA are not completely tax-free, they are
> tax-free up to the amount(s) contributed, and
> thereafter are included in income.
>
> [Again, elided for brevity]

Ooops!

_All_ _Qualified Distributions_ from a Roth IRA are
tax-free, under current law.

I realize that while there is a certainty about the very
existence of *death and taxes* ... there can be no equal
certainty that the Congress will not (in its infinite
"wisdom") change tax laws in the future, and retract the
tax-free distinction currently available under the Roth IRA
rules ... however, there is no doubt that you have
mis-stated the current law.

I believe you were thinking of distributions taken either
during the first five years after establishment of a Roth
IRA, or before the age of 59 1/2 -- since both of these
actions would limit the "tax-free" withdrawal to the amount
of original contributions.

But Pub 590 leaves no doubt that if the distribution is
_Qualified_ -- that is, taken after age 59 1/2 and more than
five years after inception for the Roth IRA in question --
then said distribution is "qualified" and is not subject to
tax or penalty.

[See Figure 2-1, under the heading "Are Distributions
Taxable" in the section on Roth IRAs.]

Bill

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Posted by kastnna on April 13, 2007, 3:30 am
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Change some of your assumptive variables and then see the
differences.

1. A future marginal tax rate that is higher than current
will tip the scales towards Roth. A lower future marginal
tax rate will favor traditional IRAs.

2. We have no way of knowing what the tax schedule will be
in the distant future. As a result, many people diversify
tax scenarios as well as investment holdings.

3. The roth IRA rules have changed to allow "easier access"
to the contributions. Your sons can take out the money you
contribute on their behalf any time they like, without
penalty. This may be bad (careless spending) or good (no
penalty in an emergency situation). Earnings and conversion
dollars are a bit trickier to get their hands on.

All-in-all you are correct that unknown variables prevent
you from having a definitive answer of "which vehicle is
better." Consider using both vehicles to hedge the risk.

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