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Unexpected Income & Estimated Taxes Scared@OfIRS.com 03-27-2008
Posted by Scared@OfIRS.com on March 27, 2008, 8:12 pm
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Due to little income I did not turn in Federal taxes
for FY 2005 & FY 2006. However due to redemption of
US Savings Bonds and selling some stock (all in 4th qtr),
I have to pay taxes.

How does the IRS deal with the fact that I didn't
pay estimated taxes? Using TurboTax it has added
a small amount for as "Estimated Tax Penalty".
Do I pay this "estimated" amount?

Also, if I don't expect to pay taxes in FY 2008,
will I need to submit estimated taxes in 2008
because of my 2007 taxes?

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Posted by Phil Marti on March 27, 2008, 9:03 pm
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> Due to little income I did not turn in Federal taxes
> for FY 2005 & FY 2006. However due to redemption of
> US Savings Bonds and selling some stock (all in 4th qtr),
> I have to pay taxes.
>
> How does the IRS deal with the fact that I didn't
> pay estimated taxes?

Absent any other information, they assume equal income and deductions
throughout the year.

> Using TurboTax it has added
> a small amount for as "Estimated Tax Penalty".
> Do I pay this "estimated" amount?

The amount isn't estimated, it's calculated based on the above assumption.
Because your income was all lumped at the end of the year, you can reduce or
eliminate the penalty by completing Schedule AI of Form 2210 and attaching
it to your return.

> Also, if I don't expect to pay taxes in FY 2008,
> will I need to submit estimated taxes in 2008
> because of my 2007 taxes?

No. Each year stands alone.

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Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by Scared@OfIRS.com on March 27, 2008, 11:15 pm
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Phil Marti wrote:
>
>> Due to little income I did not turn in Federal taxes
>> for FY 2005 & FY 2006. However due to redemption of
>> US Savings Bonds and selling some stock (all in 4th qtr),
>> I have to pay taxes.
>>
>> How does the IRS deal with the fact that I didn't
>> pay estimated taxes?
>
> Absent any other information, they assume equal income and deductions
> throughout the year.
>
>> Using TurboTax it has added
>> a small amount for as "Estimated Tax Penalty".
>> Do I pay this "estimated" amount?
>
> The amount isn't estimated, it's calculated based on the above assumption.
> Because your income was all lumped at the end of the year, you can reduce or
> eliminate the penalty by completing Schedule AI of Form 2210 and attaching
> it to your return.

In TurboTax was playing around with Form 2210 (Underpayment of Est. Tax)
and I checked "Check if you had no tax liability for 2006", and the
penalty disappeared. Does this make sense for me to do? If so, should
I still attach Schedule AI (I can do it easily with TurboTax)?


>> Also, if I don't expect to pay taxes in FY 2008,
>> will I need to submit estimated taxes in 2008
>> because of my 2007 taxes?
>
> No. Each year stands alone.
Great to know... this always confused me.

Thanks Phil!

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Posted by Phil Marti on March 28, 2008, 4:25 am
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> In TurboTax was playing around with Form 2210 (Underpayment of Est. Tax)
> and I checked "Check if you had no tax liability for 2006", and the
> penalty disappeared.

Sorry, the fact that you had no 2006 tax liability and didn't file a return
slipped past me the first time. All you have to do is check that box in TT.
Note: IRS already knows you had no 2006 tax, so the form doesn't actually
go with the return, so don't panic when TT doesn't produce a copy to send.
See the 2210 instructions.

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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by Scared@OfIRS.com on March 28, 2008, 10:56 am
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Phil Marti wrote:
>
>> In TurboTax was playing around with Form 2210 (Underpayment of Est. Tax)
>> and I checked "Check if you had no tax liability for 2006", and the
>> penalty disappeared.
>
> Sorry, the fact that you had no 2006 tax liability and didn't file a return
> slipped past me the first time. All you have to do is check that box in TT.
> Note: IRS already knows you had no 2006 tax, so the form doesn't actually
> go with the return, so don't panic when TT doesn't produce a copy to send.
> See the 2210 instructions.

Thanks for the confirmation Phil!

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