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Wacky Estimated Tax Payments? Taxlover 03-07-2008
Posted by Taxlover on March 7, 2008, 11:30 pm
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Last year I sold my business and had a huge, but unique, income.
This year I will have no withholding and negligible income from conservative
investments. I am unsure what to do about estimated tax payments.

On the one hand, I don't want to pay a lot, only to get it back in a refund;
but I also don't want to pay a penalty for underpayment.

My inclination is to make tiny quarterly payments, increasing them if
prospects inprove. If the year turns out well I will have penalties, but I
guess I will be glad to see them.

Is there a proper way to handle this?

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Posted by DF2 on March 8, 2008, 2:35 am
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In misc.taxes.moderated, Taxlover wrote:

>Last year I sold my business and had a huge, but unique, income.
>This year I will have no withholding and negligible income from conservative
>investments. I am unsure what to do about estimated tax payments.
>
>On the one hand, I don't want to pay a lot, only to get it back in a refund;
>but I also don't want to pay a penalty for underpayment.
>
>My inclination is to make tiny quarterly payments, increasing them if
>prospects inprove. If the year turns out well I will have penalties, but I
>guess I will be glad to see them.
>
>Is there a proper way to handle this?

For the US federal income tax, if you pay no estimated payments but
you owe less than $1000 tax, there will be no penalty.

If your tax is more than $1000, I guess your investment income was
not negligible.

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Posted by John Levine on March 8, 2008, 2:36 am
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>My inclination is to make tiny quarterly payments, increasing them if
>prospects inprove. If the year turns out well I will have penalties,
>but I guess I will be glad to see them.
>
>Is there a proper way to handle this?

Each quarter you extrapolate your full year income from your income to
date, then refigure the tax due, and pay enough so that payment N
brings you up to N/4 of what the total tax will be. If the payments
end up being notably uneven, when you file your tax return you include
form 2210 including schedule AI to explain why.

Publication 505 sort of explains this, as do the instructions for forms
1040-ES and 2210.

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Posted by DF2 on March 8, 2008, 1:34 pm
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In misc.taxes.moderated, John Levine wrote:

>>My inclination is to make tiny quarterly payments, increasing them if
>>prospects inprove. If the year turns out well I will have penalties,
>>but I guess I will be glad to see them.
>>
>>Is there a proper way to handle this?
>
>Each quarter you extrapolate your full year income from your income to
>date, then refigure the tax due, and pay enough so that payment N
>brings you up to N/4 of what the total tax will be. If the payments
>end up being notably uneven, when you file your tax return you include
>form 2210 including schedule AI to explain why.

I did that once when a company got bought-out in December. I decided
filled out 2210 in a tax program entering a lot of data. Then it
wanted a whole other set of data. You have to split your income into
quarters, and you have to split your deductions into quarters. Guess
what? Some of the deductions happened to fall into Q4. And my
methods were not all that efficient Since I had "invested" so much
time into form 2210 already, I went ahead. There might have been a
third phase. Not sure.

Well, since extra income gets taxed at a higher rate, there was
still a penalty. So I think I might have paid $20 in penalty vs the
$30 I would have paid if I had not gone thru that.

>
>Publication 505 sort of explains this, as do the instructions for forms
>1040-ES and 2210.

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Posted by ed on March 8, 2008, 7:22 pm
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> In misc.taxes.moderated, John Levine wrote:
>
> >>My inclination is to make tiny quarterly payments, increasing them if
> >>prospects inprove.  If the year turns out well I will have penalties,
> >>but I guess I will be glad to see them.
>
> >>Is there a proper way to handle this?
>
> >Each quarter you extrapolate your full year income from your income to
> >date, then refigure the tax due, and pay enough so that payment N
> >brings you up to N/4 of what the total tax will be.  If the payments
> >end up being notably uneven, when you file your tax return you include
> >form 2210 including schedule AI to explain why.
>
> I did that once when a company got bought-out in December. I decided
> filled out 2210 in a tax program entering a lot of data. Then it
> wanted a whole other set of data. You have to split your income into
> quarters, and you have to split your deductions into quarters. Guess
> what? Some of the deductions happened to fall into Q4. And my
> methods were not all that efficient Since I had "invested" so much
> time into form 2210 already, I went ahead. There might have been a
> third phase. Not sure.
>
> Well, since extra income gets taxed at a higher rate, there was
> still a penalty. So I think I might have paid $20 in penalty vs the
> $30 I would have paid if I had not gone thru that.
>
>
>
> >Publication 505 sort of explains this, as do the instructions for forms
> >1040-ES and 2210.
>
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To avoid a penalty and pay the least amount possible each quarter yolu
shojld use the ANnuyalized Income Method. You can get a *2210 tax
calculator* on the web that does all the calulatiions for you and
provides all the line number entries for the 2210 and its AI.
If you are not making much income stating itit quarterly shouldn't be
such a big job.

ed

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