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Would this be a Capital Improvement? boostm3 03-21-2008
Posted by boostm3 on March 21, 2008, 1:34 am
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I own a condominium in a hi rise buildg. This summer, the board has
decided the need to levy an assessment on all unit owners to pay for
the purchase of a brand new cooling tower and related equipment.. The
current equipment is old and in such a condition that it has been
advised it be replaced by the summer, otherwise run the real risk of
going hot all summer.

Two questions:

1) would the replacement of said equipment be considered a Capital
Improvement?

2) if so, in the setting of the condominium, since we all own our
units plus a percentage of all 'common elements,, do you think we
would be permitted to claim our share of the capital improvement up to
the percentage of our ownership in common elements?

thanks.

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Posted by Bill on March 21, 2008, 8:33 am
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elliott.paule@gmail.com (boostm3) posted:

>I own a condominium in a hi rise buildg.   This
>summer, the board has decided the need to
>levy an assessment on all unit owners to pay
>for the purchase of a brand new cooling tower
>and related equipment.. The current
>equipment is old and in such a condition that it
>has been advised it be replaced by the
>summer, otherwise run the real risk of going
>hot all summer.
>Two questions:
>1) would the replacement of said equipment
>be considered a Capital Improvement?
>2) if so, in the setting of the condominium,
>since we all own our units plus a percentage
>of all 'common elements,, do you think we
>would be permitted to claim our share of the
>capital improvement up to the percentage of
>our ownership in common elements?

Your condo documents will control; however, common sense dictates that
the board undoubtedly had a responsibility to _maintain_ facilities
necessary for habitability -- which would include heating and air
conditioning equipment. Especially in view of the advice the board
received indicating a possible failure of the old, existing equipment,
the board would be guilty of a "failure to maintain" the property, if
they didn't act to replace this.

Therefore, it is not primarily a 'capital improvement' -- but rather a
maintenance expenditure. So the plain answer to your first question is
"No."

I truly don't understand the second question: Of course, based on the
entire condominium concept, you automatically own a share of the common
elements -- but that "ownership" is simply reflected in the value of
your individual unit. There's nothing there to "share" except the value
of your unit -- which would surely decline, if the overall common
elements were not maintained properly.

Bill

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Posted by boostm3 on March 21, 2008, 9:29 am
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On Mar 21, 8:33 am, an_ordinary_guy_...@hotmail.com (Bill) wrote:
> elliott.pa...@gmail.com (boostm3) posted:
>
>
>
> >I own a condominium in a hi rise buildg. This
> >summer, the board has decided the need to
> >levy an assessment on all unit owners to pay
> >for the purchase of a brand new cooling tower
> >and related equipment.. The current
> >equipment is old and in such a condition that it
> >has been advised it be replaced by the
> >summer, otherwise run the real risk of going
> >hot all summer.
> >Two questions:
> >1) would the replacement of said equipment
> >be considered a Capital Improvement?
> >2) if so, in the setting of the condominium,
> >since we all own our units plus a percentage
> >of all 'common elements,, do you think we
> >would be permitted to claim our share of the
> >capital improvement up to the percentage of
> >our ownership in common elements?
>
> Your condo documents will control; however, common sense dictates that
> the board undoubtedly had a responsibility to _maintain_ facilities
> necessary for habitability -- which would include heating and air
> conditioning equipment. Especially in view of the advice the board
> received indicating a possible failure of the old, existing equipment,
> the board would be guilty of a "failure to maintain" the property, if
> they didn't act to replace this.
>
> Therefore, it is not primarily a 'capital improvement' -- but rather a
> maintenance expenditure. So the plain answer to your first question is
> "No."
>
> I truly don't understand the second question: Of course, based on the
> entire condominium concept, you automatically own a share of the common
> elements -- but that "ownership" is simply reflected in the value of
> your individual unit. There's nothing there to "share" except the value
> of your unit -- which would surely decline, if the overall common
> elements were not maintained properly.
>
> Bill
>
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Ok.. that explains it..... But on a larger scale, what is the common
line thats drawn to help decide whether a home's upgrade is considered
Maintenance or a Capital Improvement?

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on March 21, 2008, 9:48 am
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> Ok.. that explains it..... But on a larger scale, what
> is the common line thats drawn to help decide
> whether a home's upgrade is considered
> Maintenance or a Capital Improvement?





If the expenditure extends the life of the structure.

The building would be too hot, or too cold, or at times, just right - but
the building itself isn't going to last any longer because you fixed or
replaced the heating and air conditioning unit.





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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on March 21, 2008, 9:52 am
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>> Ok.. that explains it..... But on a larger scale, what
>> is the common line thats drawn to help decide
>> whether a home's upgrade is considered
>> Maintenance or a Capital Improvement?
>
> If the expenditure extends the life of the structure.
>
> The building would be too hot, or too cold, or at times, just
> right - but the building itself isn't going to last any longer
> because you fixed or replaced the heating and air conditioning
> unit.

But adding a hot water heater, for example, in the first place is a
capital expense, isn't it? So why isn't replacing it when it breaks
down also considered a capital expense?

Stu

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