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can a 5% owner of LLC receive a W-2 salary? Gary Goodman 06-17-2006
Posted by Gary Goodman on June 17, 2006, 8:46 pm
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I'm probably missing some information, or my brain is fried.

Client is retired, but has been offered a position with an
LLC. He will own 5% of it and receive income. To negotiate
the right amount, he wants to know if he will be a W-2
employee and pay only his half of FICA, or must he receive
guaranteed payments and have to pay both halves?

Gary

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Posted by Katie on June 18, 2006, 11:29 pm
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Gary Goodman wrote:

> I'm probably missing some information, or my brain is fried.
>
> Client is retired, but has been offered a position with an
> LLC. He will own 5% of it and receive income. To negotiate
> the right amount, he wants to know if he will be a W-2
> employee and pay only his half of FICA, or must he receive
> guaranteed payments and have to pay both halves?

He's an employee if the LLC elects to be taxed as a
corporation. Otherwise, he's a partner for tax purposes and
gets a guaranteed payment.

Katie in San Diego

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Posted by Gary Goodman on June 21, 2006, 1:31 am
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> Gary Goodman wrote:

>> I'm probably missing some information, or my brain is fried.
>>
>> Client is retired, but has been offered a position with an
>> LLC. He will own 5% of it and receive income. To negotiate
>> the right amount, he wants to know if he will be a W-2
>> employee and pay only his half of FICA, or must he receive
>> guaranteed payments and have to pay both halves?

> He's an employee if the LLC elects to be taxed as a
> corporation. Otherwise, he's a partner for tax purposes and
> gets a guaranteed payment.

Katie, that's what I thought, but the client wants us to
prove it. I think part of the problem is that he doesn't
understand the rules of an LLC.

Thanks,
Gary

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Posted by Stuart A. Bronstein on June 21, 2006, 1:51 pm
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>> He's an employee if the LLC elects to be taxed as a
>> corporation. Otherwise, he's a partner for tax purposes and
>> gets a guaranteed payment.

> Katie, that's what I thought, but the client wants us to
> prove it. I think part of the problem is that he doesn't
> understand the rules of an LLC.

The IRC doesn't recognize LLC's, so they have to be treated
as something that is recognized. There's probably a letter
ruling for your state allowing the creation of LLC's -
perhaps it talks about this point.

Stu

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Posted by cballard@tyyni.net on June 22, 2006, 8:58 pm
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Gary Goodman wrote:
>> Gary Goodman wrote:

>>> I'm probably missing some information, or my brain is fried.
>>>
>>> Client is retired, but has been offered a position with an
>>> LLC. He will own 5% of it and receive income. To negotiate
>>> the right amount, he wants to know if he will be a W-2
>>> employee and pay only his half of FICA, or must he receive
>>> guaranteed payments and have to pay both halves?

>> He's an employee if the LLC elects to be taxed as a
>> corporation. Otherwise, he's a partner for tax purposes and
>> gets a guaranteed payment.

> Katie, that's what I thought, but the client wants us to
> prove it. I think part of the problem is that he doesn't
> understand the rules of an LLC.

Take a look at the entity classification regulations
(commonly called the "check the box" regulations), reg
sections 301.7701-1, 301.7701-2, and 301.7701-3. Under the
regulations, any unincorporated association that has two or
more members is classified as a partnership by default
unless an election is made to treat the association as a
corporation.

It might also be helpful to show him Form 8832 and the
instructions to that form.

--Chris

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