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"creative" suggestions for making child care a business expense Elizabeth 11-06-2006
Posted by Elizabeth on November 6, 2006, 12:19 am
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I have a client who is a photographer (mainly weddings and
special events). She has a 2-yr old son who needs care both
while she is shooting and while she is editing. She
estimates that she needs 1200 to 1400 hours of child care
this year alone. Are there any legitimate ways she can make
this a business deduction? I'm thinking -- make the
babysitter an employee? The photographer has a studio
separate from her home, and in the studio she has one extra,
totally unused room that could be converted into a
child-care space. If she actually employed the babysitter,
and provided the major area of care within her studio (even
though the sitter could take the kids to activities and
maybe even to her own home on "outings"), would that qualify
for a legitimate business deduction?

If it could be structured as a legitmate business expense
with the baby-sitter as an employee, is there any way the
photographer could pay the babysitter as an independent
contracter instead of as an employee (much as she pays other
photographers who assist her on various shoots), issuing a
1099-MISC?

The photographer is currently a sole-prop.; would it make
any difference if the business was incorporated as an
S-corp? Would the value of the child care service be
imputed to the photographer on her w-2 anyway?

Currently, my thoughts are that babysitting is a personal
expense and only the first $3000 of it can qualify for
personal deduction on her 1040. But I told her I would ask
for opinions from you folks to see if anyone could suggest a
creative, yet legal and legitimate, way of making this a
business expense.

Thanks,
Elizabeth Brennan, EA

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Posted by Phil Marti on November 7, 2006, 8:19 am
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> Currently, my thoughts are that babysitting is a personal
> expense

Here's a vote in support of your interpretation.
Babysitting is babysitting, no matter how you dress it up.
The only tax benefit available is the dependent care credit.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by Stuart A. Bronstein on November 8, 2006, 2:44 am
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>> Currently, my thoughts are that babysitting is a personal
>> expense

> Here's a vote in support of your interpretation.
> Babysitting is babysitting, no matter how you dress it up.
> The only tax benefit available is the dependent care credit.

Under section 45F a credit is allowed to employers who
provide child care for their employees.

Stu

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Posted by Harlan Lunsford on November 7, 2006, 8:19 am
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Elizabeth wrote:

> I have a client who is a photographer (mainly weddings and
> special events). She has a 2-yr old son who needs care both
> while she is shooting and while she is editing. She
> estimates that she needs 1200 to 1400 hours of child care
> this year alone. Are there any legitimate ways she can make
> this a business deduction? I'm thinking -- make the
> babysitter an employee? The photographer has a studio
> separate from her home, and in the studio she has one extra,
> totally unused room that could be converted into a
> child-care space. If she actually employed the babysitter,
> and provided the major area of care within her studio (even
> though the sitter could take the kids to activities and
> maybe even to her own home on "outings"), would that qualify
> for a legitimate business deduction?
>
> If it could be structured as a legitmate business expense
> with the baby-sitter as an employee, is there any way the
> photographer could pay the babysitter as an independent
> contracter instead of as an employee (much as she pays other
> photographers who assist her on various shoots), issuing a
> 1099-MISC?
>
> The photographer is currently a sole-prop.; would it make
> any difference if the business was incorporated as an
> S-corp? Would the value of the child care service be
> imputed to the photographer on her w-2 anyway?
>
> Currently, my thoughts are that babysitting is a personal
> expense and only the first $3000 of it can qualify for
> personal deduction on her 1040. But I told her I would ask
> for opinions from you folks to see if anyone could suggest a
> creative, yet legal and legitimate, way of making this a
> business expense.

What is it "they" say? something like... first impressions
are usually correct?

Even IF ok for a proprietor using business premises, said
provider would not qualify as independent contractor.

And any S corporation benefits would be taxable to a 2%
shareholder anyway.

Just hope the photographer has a profit, otherwise, no child
care credit even.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by L K Williams on November 7, 2006, 8:19 am
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> . . . on her w-2 anyway?
>
> Currently, my thoughts are that babysitting is a personal
> expense and only the first $3000 of it can qualify for
> personal deduction on her 1040. But I told her I would ask
> for opinions from you folks to see if anyone could suggest a
> creative, yet legal and legitimate, way of making this a
> business expense.

Creative, definitely! Deductible? I seriously doubt it!

The code requires business expenses to be "ordinary and
necessary." Babysitters would hardly qualify on either
count. Since she has a personal obligation of child care,
paying a babysitter, even if necessary to perform her
duties, is still a personal expense.

What other things could be called necessary and paid by the
business, so as to make them deductible? Maybe we should
start a poll?

Lanny K. Williams, CPA
Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd.
Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans

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