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does a living trust qualify for annual gift tax exclusion? inky dink 02-21-2008
Posted by inky dink on February 21, 2008, 12:02 am
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someone has recently stated that an annual gift must be made from a personal
account, because a revocable living trust does not qualify for the annual
gift tax exclusion. This does not sound right to me, as the IRS considers
revocable living trusts to not exist for tax purposes.

any thoughts? any references?

I did a web search and found only one reference, but it refers to a trust
(not specifically a revocable living trust) not qualifying.

thanks.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on February 21, 2008, 2:10 pm
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> I found the following:
>
> "Gifts made from a revocable living trust for which you are a
> trustee will be included in your estate if you die within three
> years of the gift. Accordingly, it is better to change the title
> on such a gift from the trustee to your name individually, and
> only then give the property to the intended recipient"
>
> perhaps this is what he was thinking about.

If it was, it was wrong. Some gifts made within three years of the
date of death are included in the donor's estate. But this has nothing
to do with living trusts. A revocable trust is, for tax purposes,
treated as if it doesn't exist. The person who funded the trust is
treated as the owner of that property, and it either qualifies for the
annual exclusion or doesn't based on the gift tax law, not on the law
of trusts.

Stu

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Posted by Gil Faver on February 21, 2008, 2:34 pm
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Some gifts made within three years of the
> date of death are included in the donor's estate.

Stuart, as long as we are on this subject, what under what circumstances are
gifts included in the donor's estate? Is there any distinction here of
gifts made personally, or from a living trust?

thanks. Not much I could find on this in my searching.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on February 21, 2008, 2:44 pm
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>
>> Some gifts made within three years of the
>> date of death are included in the donor's estate.
>
> Stuart, as long as we are on this subject, what under what
> circumstances are gifts included in the donor's estate? Is there
> any distinction here of gifts made personally, or from a living
> trust?

The rule is in section 2035 of the Internal Revenue Code. It's
pretty complex, but the basic rule is:

"(a) If —

"(1) the decedent made a transfer (by trust or otherwise) of an
interest in any property, or relinquished a power with respect to any
property, during the 3-year period ending on the date of the
decedent's death, and

"(2) the value of such property (or an interest therein) would have
been included in the decedent's gross estate under section 2036,
2037, 2038, or 2042 if such transferred interest or relinquished
power had been retained by the decedent on the date of his death, the
value of the gross estate shall include the value of any property (or
interest therein) which would have been so included.

"(b) Inclusion of Gift Tax on Gifts made During 3 Years Before
Decedent's Death — The amount of the gross estate (determined without
regard to this subsection) shall be increased by the amount of any
tax paid under chapter 12 by the decedent or his estate on any gift
made by the decedent or his spouse during the 3-year period ending on
the date of the decedent's death."

Subsection (e) of that statute could be what the "someone" was
thinking of, though all it does is to state the general rule that
revocable trusts are treated as though they don't exist. It says,

"For purposes of this section and section 2038, any transfer from any
portion of a trust during any period that such portion was treated
under section 676 as owned by the decedent by reason of a power in
the grantor (determined without regard to section 672(e)) shall be
treated as a transfer made directly by the decedent."

Stu

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Posted by Gil Faver on February 21, 2008, 3:46 pm
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>>
>>> Some gifts made within three years of the
>>> date of death are included in the donor's estate.
>>
>> Stuart, as long as we are on this subject, what under what
>> circumstances are gifts included in the donor's estate? Is there
>> any distinction here of gifts made personally, or from a living
>> trust?
>
> The rule is in section 2035 of the Internal Revenue Code. It's
> pretty complex, but the basic rule is:
>
> "(a) If -
>
> "(1) the decedent made a transfer (by trust or otherwise) of an
> interest in any property, or relinquished a power with respect to any
> property, during the 3-year period ending on the date of the
> decedent's death, and
>
> "(2) the value of such property (or an interest therein) would have
> been included in the decedent's gross estate under section 2036,
> 2037, 2038, or 2042 if such transferred interest or relinquished
> power had been retained by the decedent on the date of his death, the
> value of the gross estate shall include the value of any property (or
> interest therein) which would have been so included.
>
> "(b) Inclusion of Gift Tax on Gifts made During 3 Years Before
> Decedent's Death - The amount of the gross estate (determined without
> regard to this subsection) shall be increased by the amount of any
> tax paid under chapter 12 by the decedent or his estate on any gift
> made by the decedent or his spouse during the 3-year period ending on
> the date of the decedent's death."
>
> Subsection (e) of that statute could be what the "someone" was
> thinking of, though all it does is to state the general rule that
> revocable trusts are treated as though they don't exist. It says,
>
> "For purposes of this section and section 2038, any transfer from any
> portion of a trust during any period that such portion was treated
> under section 676 as owned by the decedent by reason of a power in
> the grantor (determined without regard to section 672(e)) shall be
> treated as a transfer made directly by the decedent."
>
> Stu


so, this three year rule is true even if you are not using a living trust.

Does the IRS actually check this? I can't imagine most such gifts are put
back into the decedent's estate tax calculation.

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