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how does IRA recharacterization tax work? rick++ 01-23-2008
Posted by rick++ on January 23, 2008, 1:56 pm
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Say you put $4000 in Roth IRA.
But later on you had to transfer it back into a traditional
IRA along with its fraction of earnings - say a $4500
transfer. So should the the $500 earnings then be
taxed and the whole $4500 added to the IRA basis?
What IRS form is filed for this?

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Posted by Alan on January 23, 2008, 3:32 pm
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rick++ wrote:
> Say you put $4000 in Roth IRA.
> But later on you had to transfer it back into a traditional
> IRA along with its fraction of earnings - say a $4500
> transfer. So should the the $500 earnings then be
> taxed and the whole $4500 added to the IRA basis?
> What IRS form is filed for this?
>
Kaye Thomas explains it very well at
http://www.fairmark.com/rothira/rcrules.htm

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on January 23, 2008, 3:50 pm
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> Say you put $4000 in Roth IRA.
> But later on you had to transfer it back into a traditional
> IRA along with its fraction of earnings - say a $4500
> transfer. So should the the $500 earnings then be
> taxed and the whole $4500 added to the IRA basis?
> What IRS form is filed for this?

When you recharacterize an annual contribution, it is treated as if
the contribution were made originally to the IRA it was
recharacterized into.

So in your example, the recharacterization means the ultimate outcome
is the same (for tax purposes) as if you put the $4000 in the trad IRA
in the first place. So the $500 is NOT taxed (because in theory you
would have made that same $500 within the trad IRA if the contribution
went to the trad IRA in the first place).

There's no IRS form to report this on (unless the recharacterized
contribution to the trad IRA is not deductible, in which case you'd
use 8606 to report the non-ded contribution, same as if you had made
a non-ded trad IRA contribution in the first place).

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Posted by krearden on January 24, 2008, 9:46 pm
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> > Say you put $4000 in Roth IRA.
> > But later on you had to transfer it back into a traditional
> > IRA along with its fraction of earnings - say a $4500
> > transfer.  So should the the $500 earnings then be
> > taxed and the whole $4500 added to the IRA basis?
> > What IRS form is filed for this?
>
> When you recharacterize an annual contribution, it is treated as if
> the contribution were made originally to the IRA it was
> recharacterized into.
>
> So in your example, the recharacterization means the ultimate outcome
> is the same (for tax purposes) as if you put the $4000 in the trad IRA
> in the first place.  So the $500 is NOT taxed (because in theory you
> would have made that same $500 within the trad IRA if the contribution
> went to the trad IRA in the first place).
>
> There's no IRS form to report this on (unless the recharacterized
> contribution to the trad IRA is not deductible, in which case you'd
> use 8606 to report the non-ded contribution, same as if you had made
> a non-ded trad IRA contribution in the first place).
>
> --
> Rich Carreiro                            rlc-n...@rlcarr.com
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Informative answer! I have a similar question and here are the
details:
I contributed $8000 to my Roth IRA last year on the same day (before
April 15th): $4000 for 2006 and $4000 for 2007.
My 2007 modified adjusted gross income exceeded the limit to be
eligible to contribute to the Roth IRA for 2007.
My Roth IRA lost money this year - went from a market value of $8000
to a market value of $7500.
What now?
Here are the options I have investigated with financial professionals:
1. Recharacterize my account for the money put in for 2007 from a Roth
IRA to a Traditional IRA
2. Take out the $4000 I invested for 2007 with no tax penalty (because
I lost money and I already paid taxes on the $4000 I originally put
in).
Any comments?
Thanks

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Posted by Phil Marti on January 24, 2008, 11:15 pm
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> I contributed $8000 to my Roth IRA last year on the same day (before
> April 15th): $4000 for 2006 and $4000 for 2007.
> My 2007 modified adjusted gross income exceeded the limit to be
> eligible to contribute to the Roth IRA for 2007.
> My Roth IRA lost money this year - went from a market value of $8000
> to a market value of $7500.
> What now?
> Here are the options I have investigated with financial professionals:
> 1. Recharacterize my account for the money put in for 2007 from a Roth
> IRA to a Traditional IRA
> 2. Take out the $4000 I invested for 2007 with no tax penalty (because
> I lost money and I already paid taxes on the $4000 I originally put
> in).

Recharacterization and withdrawal are your two options for avoiding a
penalty. In either case the amount will be less than $4,000 since your
earnings were negative. See IRS Publication 590.
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