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question about changing IRA to ROTH Jane 03-06-2008
Posted by Jane on March 6, 2008, 6:06 pm
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I have a traditional non-deductible IRA. It is currently in a bank CD
that is coming due. I opened it with $2,000 in 2003. I also have a
rollover IRA and a ROTH IRA, both with Vanguard.

I'd like to take the bank CD and put it in the ROTH. What will that
mean in taxes? I know I have to pay tax on the earnings but what
about the original $2,000? When I opened this IRA I filed form 8606
with my return.

thanks.

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Posted by Mark Bole on March 6, 2008, 6:42 pm
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Jane wrote:
> I have a traditional non-deductible IRA. It is currently in a bank CD
> that is coming due. I opened it with $2,000 in 2003. I also have a
> rollover IRA and a ROTH IRA, both with Vanguard.
>
> I'd like to take the bank CD and put it in the ROTH. What will that
> mean in taxes? I know I have to pay tax on the earnings but what
> about the original $2,000? When I opened this IRA I filed form 8606
> with my return.

The non-deductible basis will be prorated across your total non-Roth IRA
balance. In other words, for tax purposes you can't specify that it is
just the CD that you want to convert.

Suppose you have $100K total IRA balance, and $2K basis
(non-deductible). If you convert $1K to Roth, of that amount $20 will
be non-taxable and $980 taxable.

Now, if in the same year you make the conversion, you also make a
deductible contribution and no other distributions, there's a worksheet
1-5 in Pub 590 that leads you to include a much higher percent of the
non-deductible basis in your conversion.

-Mark Bole

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Posted by Jane on March 7, 2008, 5:26 pm
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> Jane wrote:
> > I have a traditional non-deductible IRA. It is currently in a bank CD
> > that is coming due. I opened it with $2,000 in 2003. I also have a
> > rollover IRA and a ROTH IRA, both with Vanguard.
>
> > I'd like to take the bank CD and put it in the ROTH. What will that
> > mean in taxes? I know I have to pay tax on the earnings but what
> > about the original $2,000? When I opened this IRA I filed form 8606
> > with my return.
>
> The non-deductible basis will be prorated across your total non-Roth IRA
> balance. In other words, for tax purposes you can't specify that it is
> just the CD that you want to convert.
>
> Suppose you have $100K total IRA balance, and $2K basis
> (non-deductible). If you convert $1K to Roth, of that amount $20 will
> be non-taxable and $980 taxable.
>
> Now, if in the same year you make the conversion, you also make a
> deductible contribution and no other distributions, there's a worksheet
> 1-5 in Pub 590 that leads you to include a much higher percent of the
> non-deductible basis in your conversion.
>
> -Mark Bole
>
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Thanks Mark. My plan is to contribute only to my ROTH this year. For
me that's as much tax confusion as I can handle.

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Posted by Jane on March 7, 2008, 5:27 pm
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> Jane wrote:
> > I have a traditional non-deductible IRA. It is currently in a bank CD
> > that is coming due. I opened it with $2,000 in 2003. I also have a
> > rollover IRA and a ROTH IRA, both with Vanguard.
>
> > I'd like to take the bank CD and put it in the ROTH. What will that
> > mean in taxes? I know I have to pay tax on the earnings but what
> > about the original $2,000? When I opened this IRA I filed form 8606
> > with my return.
>
> The non-deductible basis will be prorated across your total non-Roth IRA
> balance. In other words, for tax purposes you can't specify that it is
> just the CD that you want to convert.
>
> Suppose you have $100K total IRA balance, and $2K basis
> (non-deductible). If you convert $1K to Roth, of that amount $20 will
> be non-taxable and $980 taxable.
>
> Now, if in the same year you make the conversion, you also make a
> deductible contribution and no other distributions, there's a worksheet
> 1-5 in Pub 590 that leads you to include a much higher percent of the
> non-deductible basis in your conversion.
>
> -Mark Bole
>
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> << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
> << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
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I just wanted to see if I have this right: I have $50000 total in my
non ROTH IRA accounts. So, if I put the $2000 of the non-deductible
IRA into my ROTH only $80 will be non-taxable. Is that right?

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Posted by Phil Marti on March 7, 2008, 6:19 pm
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"Jane" wrote:

> I just wanted to see if I have this right: I have $50000 total in my
> non ROTH IRA accounts. So, if I put the $2000 of the non-deductible
> IRA into my ROTH only $80 will be non-taxable. Is that right?

Only if the $2,000 is your only nondeductible contribution.

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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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