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question re self-employed health insurance deduction Jan Weingarten 08-29-2008
Posted by Jan Weingarten on August 29, 2008, 3:30 pm
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I've been self-employed for several years and have been claiming the
health insurance deduction. I'm about to take a job that will (after
three months) reimburse me $150/month for health insurance. My current
plan costs over $700/month. I will be continuing my current business,
so my self-employment will continue.

So my question is - since I will be reimbursed for a (small) portion
of my health insurance costs, will I still be able to use the
self-employed health insurance deduction? Thanks!

Jan

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Posted by Alan on August 29, 2008, 5:54 pm
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Jan Weingarten wrote:
> I've been self-employed for several years and have been claiming the
> health insurance deduction. I'm about to take a job that will (after
> three months) reimburse me $150/month for health insurance. My current
> plan costs over $700/month. I will be continuing my current business,
> so my self-employment will continue.
>
> So my question is - since I will be reimbursed for a (small) portion
> of my health insurance costs, will I still be able to use the
> self-employed health insurance deduction? Thanks!
>
> Jan
>
Yes you can still take the deduction. How much you deduct depends
upon how the employer accounts for the reimbursement. If the $150
per month gets reflected in your 1099-MISC as nonemployee
compensation, then you deduct the amount (Over $700/month) you
actually paid. If the 1099 does not include the $150/month then
you deduct what you paid less what you were reimbursed. Almost
always in these situations, the 1099 includes the health payment
as compensation.

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Posted by Steve Pope on August 29, 2008, 8:39 pm
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>Jan Weingarten wrote:

>> I've been self-employed for several years and have been claiming the
>> health insurance deduction. I'm about to take a job that will (after
>> three months) reimburse me $150/month for health insurance. My current
>> plan costs over $700/month. I will be continuing my current business,
>> so my self-employment will continue.

>> So my question is - since I will be reimbursed for a (small) portion
>> of my health insurance costs, will I still be able to use the
>> self-employed health insurance deduction? Thanks!

>Yes you can still take the deduction.

Not if an employer health plan was an available option. The
above post does not state whether or not this is the case.

Declining an employer health plan is not good enough. That's
my understanding. It's a frequent circumstance that an employee
might decline an employer health plan, and accept some other
sort of compensation in return (such as the $150 in this case).

Steve

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Posted by Alan on August 29, 2008, 10:34 pm
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Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> Jan Weingarten wrote:
>
>>> I've been self-employed for several years and have been claiming the
>>> health insurance deduction. I'm about to take a job that will (after
>>> three months) reimburse me $150/month for health insurance. My current
>>> plan costs over $700/month. I will be continuing my current business,
>>> so my self-employment will continue.
>
>>> So my question is - since I will be reimbursed for a (small) portion
>>> of my health insurance costs, will I still be able to use the
>>> self-employed health insurance deduction? Thanks!
>
>> Yes you can still take the deduction.
>
> Not if an employer health plan was an available option. The
> above post does not state whether or not this is the case.
>
> Declining an employer health plan is not good enough. That's
> my understanding. It's a frequent circumstance that an employee
> might decline an employer health plan, and accept some other
> sort of compensation in return (such as the $150 in this case).
>
> Steve
>
I assumed the job he was referring to was as a contractor and
that he remained a self-employed individual. That's why I said
the reimbursement would be on a 1099-MISC and not a W-2.

I leave it to the OP to clarify the ambiguity in his post.

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Posted by Mark Bole on August 30, 2008, 11:05 am
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Alan wrote:
> Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>>> Jan Weingarten wrote:
>>
>>>> I've been self-employed for several years and have been claiming the
>>>> health insurance deduction. I'm about to take a job that will (after
>>>> three months) reimburse me $150/month for health insurance.


The "job" must refer to being an employee, not an independent
contractor. The only kinds of expenses that clients can reimburse
self-employed persons for are expenses incurred on behalf of the client
or customer, which health insurance clearly is not.

I'm not sure how the employer is "reimbursing" you. Are you saying that
after three months, you are eligible to enroll in the employer's group
plan and the employer pays the first $150 of premium per month? Or are
they simply paying you "extra" taxable wage income to make up for not
offering a group plan? Or, do they have a Health Reimbursement
Arrangement (HRA), which receives tax-free contributions from the
employer that you can use to pay for health care?


>>>> So my question is - since I will be reimbursed for a (small) portion
>>>> of my health insurance costs, will I still be able to use the
>>>> self-employed health insurance deduction? Thanks!
>>
>>> Yes you can still take the deduction.
>>
>> Not if an employer health plan was an available option. The
>> above post does not state whether or not this is the case.

If you had the *option* of being covered under your or your spouse's
employer group health insurance at any time during the month, no you
can't take the SE health insurance deduction for that month, whether you
were actually covered or not. I'm not sure if an HRA is a "subsidized
health plan maintained by your employer", which would eliminate the SE
health insurance deduction.


> I assumed the job he was referring to was as a contractor and that he
> remained a self-employed individual. That's why I said the reimbursement
> would be on a 1099-MISC and not a W-2.

Other than limited case of travel, car, gift, and entertainment expenses
incurred on behalf of the client or customer, there is no such thing as
"reimbursement" for an independent contractor. It's all gross income.

-Mark Bole

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