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recharacterizing gain from short-term to long-term increases tax, what to do! removeps-groups@yahoo.com 04-07-2008
Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 7, 2008, 4:17 pm
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I ran into a strange problem. There was a spin off, and about $35 was
received for cash in lieu. Being lazy to look up the original
purchase date and calculate the cost basis for the fractional number
of shares, I just entered the purchase date as the date of the split
and the cost basis as zero, for a net short term gain of $35.

Then I decided to calculate the exact numbers, hoping it would reduce
tax. The cost basis was $14 and the purchase date many years ago, so
the net gain was long term of 35-14=21. But the tax increased!

It seems the reason for this is the rounding of taxes under 100k.
Consider by example:

- For single filer, 50000 to 50050 has tax of 8930
- Suppose taxable income is 50050 with the $35 included in short term
gains
- Tax is 8930
- Now remove $35 for short term gain and add $21 to long germ gains
- Short term tax is still 8930
- Add long term tax of 21*0.15 = $3 rounded

And to make matters worse, in the lazy approach, the cost basis for
the shares when you eventually sell them would be X. But in the exact
approach, the cost basis would be X-14, thereby increasing your tax by
14*0.15 = $2 rounded.

Is there anything that can be done about this?

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Posted by Phil Marti on April 7, 2008, 4:31 pm
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>I ran into a strange problem. There was a spin off, and about $35 was
> received for cash in lieu. Being lazy to look up the original
> purchase date and calculate the cost basis for the fractional number
> of shares, I just entered the purchase date as the date of the split
> and the cost basis as zero, for a net short term gain of $35.
>
> Then I decided to calculate the exact numbers, hoping it would reduce
> tax. The cost basis was $14 and the purchase date many years ago, so
> the net gain was long term of 35-14=21. But the tax increased!
>
> It seems the reason for this is the rounding of taxes under 100k.

> Is there anything that can be done about this?

Get to over $100,000 of taxable income so you're forced to the tax rate
schedules.

If that isn't feasible, write your members of Congress suggesting that they
amend the law to offer the taxpayer the option to use the tax rate schedules
at all income levels.

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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by removeps-groups@yahoo.com on April 8, 2008, 12:24 pm
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> If that isn't feasible, write your members of Congress suggesting that they
> amend the law to offer the taxpayer the option to use the tax rate schedules
> at all income levels.

I don't like the idea of choice as it further complicates the tax code
and compliance. But in the future, probably all returns will be
eFiled, so then they would always use the calculation as the computer
would do all the work.

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Posted by Barry Margolin on April 7, 2008, 8:30 pm
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> I ran into a strange problem. There was a spin off, and about $35 was
> received for cash in lieu. Being lazy to look up the original
> purchase date and calculate the cost basis for the fractional number
> of shares, I just entered the purchase date as the date of the split
> and the cost basis as zero, for a net short term gain of $35.
>
> Then I decided to calculate the exact numbers, hoping it would reduce
> tax. The cost basis was $14 and the purchase date many years ago, so
> the net gain was long term of 35-14=21. But the tax increased!
>
> It seems the reason for this is the rounding of taxes under 100k.
> Consider by example:
>
> - For single filer, 50000 to 50050 has tax of 8930
> - Suppose taxable income is 50050 with the $35 included in short term
> gains
> - Tax is 8930
> - Now remove $35 for short term gain and add $21 to long germ gains
> - Short term tax is still 8930
> - Add long term tax of 21*0.15 = $3 rounded
>
> And to make matters worse, in the lazy approach, the cost basis for
> the shares when you eventually sell them would be X. But in the exact
> approach, the cost basis would be X-14, thereby increasing your tax by
> 14*0.15 = $2 rounded.
>
> Is there anything that can be done about this?

On the other hand, if their income had been $50,051 with the $35
included, your regular tax would drop by $50*marginal rate and the
capital gain tax would increase by $14*15%, so you would get a
significant saving. Using the granular tax tables tends to magnify some
small income differences and ignore others, depending on the luck of
whether you cross one of the $50 boundaries. In the case of a $35
check, you have a 70% chance of winning, 30% chance of losing.

I vaguely recall that when I used to do my taxes by hand (about 25 years
ago, before Macintax) that you could actually choose whether to use the
tax table or calculate the percentage exactly. Am I misremembering? Is
this still allowed?

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Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Posted by Phil Marti on April 7, 2008, 9:53 pm
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"Barry Margolin" wrote:

> I vaguely recall that when I used to do my taxes by hand (about 25 years
> ago, before Macintax) that you could actually choose whether to use the
> tax table or calculate the percentage exactly. Am I misremembering? Is
> this still allowed?

I have the same recollection of back when the earth was cooling. However
under current law you must use the Tax Tables if taxable income is less than
$100,000..

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Clarksburg, MD

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