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rollover treatment of 401k after-tax contribs Dick Watson 01-12-2007
Posted by Harlan Lunsford on January 16, 2007, 7:40 pm
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Phil Marti wrote:

>> You cannot roll over after-tax 401K money into a Rollover
>> IRA.

> Yes you can, for several years now. You then report the
> after-tax portion on line 2 of Form 8606 for the year of the
> rollover.

Are you saying use the 8606 in the year OF the rollover?
Or just in years of distribution?

A client called me about this January 2nd and I told him not
to worry; he didn't have to get a form 8606 from IRS, that I
had plenty! (grin)

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Posted by Dick Watson on January 18, 2007, 4:01 am
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> Are you saying use the 8606 in the year OF the rollover?
> Or just in years of distribution?

If you change your after tax basis--e.g., you increased it
with rollover money--and want the IRS to recognize your new
after tax basis, report it. That's more or less what it says
at the top of the instructions as to why to use the form.

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Posted by Phil Marti on January 18, 2007, 4:01 am
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>>> You cannot roll over after-tax 401K money into a Rollover
>>> IRA.

>> Yes you can, for several years now. You then report the
>> after-tax portion on line 2 of Form 8606 for the year of the
>> rollover.

> Are you saying use the 8606 in the year OF the rollover?
> Or just in years of distribution?

The year of the rollover. It's buried in the instructions
for line 2 of the 8606.

--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Posted by Dick Watson on January 16, 2007, 3:54 am
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> You cannot roll over after-tax 401K money into a Rollover
> IRA.
>
> You can roll over the pre-tax money. In 2007 there you can
> roll over money from one 'qualified' plan to another
> 'qualified' plan but not to a Rollover IRA. For more details
> read my blog on this subject which will be published
> tomorrow, Jan 14, at http://wwwtaxman.blogspot.com

Thanks for the info. I couldn't find the blog entry you
cite, however.

Any reference citations (Pub x, page y would be great) would
be gratefully appreciated.

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Posted by A.G. Kalman on January 16, 2007, 3:54 am
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Dick Watson wrote:

> I'm about to get traded to a new employer and will then be
> able to rollover my existing 401(k) from the current
> employer. That plan has a significant amount of after-tax
> contributions.
>
> I've done a lot of research and conclude I have two choices:
>
> 1) I can keep take the after tax contributions amount and
> put it in a taxable account and not have further tax issues
> associated with it. I cannot find anywhere in anything
> IRS-like that says this is possible, but find other
> references in google to suggest it is so.
>
> 2) I can rollover the taxable amount to an IRA and track it
> as part of my after tax contributions to the IRA. As near as
> I can tell, I would report after tax contribution on line 2
> of form 8606 and add it to prior after tax contributions to
> the IRA to track the after tax contributions basis in the
> 401(k). (So I interpret the third adjustment exception in
> the instructions for the 2005 form 8606 line 2. There is no
> 2006 form/instructions yet.) The form line 2 title would not
> hint that a rollover after tax 401(k) contribution goes
> there.
>
> Are my conclusions correct? Is there a source that says that
> I can just walk with the after-tax contributions? Is form
> 8606, line 2, the correct place to put the 401k after tax
> contribution amount if I roll it over?

The instructions for the 8606 tell you to use Line 2 to
account for the basis of a rollover of already taxed
contributions. You are correct that you have a choice when
it comes to your cost basis in your pension. Assuming the
plan allows it, you can walk away with the money that was
already taxed and just rollover the untaxed amount or you
can rollover the whole shebang and use the 8606 to establish
your cost basis in the IRA.

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