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self-employed expensing question matt@mailinator.com 12-13-2006
Posted by matt@mailinator.com on December 13, 2006, 10:57 pm
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im a computer programmer. in march of 2006 i became a 1099
independant contractor and moved cross-country (to new
orleans!) for a client; in november i became a single-member
LLC (disregarded entity to the IRS; filing as a sole prop).
i have two clients, one that i work for from home, the other
that i work for onsite. my home is a house i bought after
arriving here.

i use quicken for my income & expenses, which is pretty
straight-forward. i plan to hire an accountant for an hour
or two, but i wanted to do some research first before going
in.

im mainly curious about expenses. i save all of my
business-related reciepts and log them -- gas & car costs,
work meals, office supplies, etc. i believe i understand how
they work.

but what im not clear on, is if and how much i can expense:

- monthly cell phone
- monthly internet
- monthly mortage (note + interest + insurance + taxs)
- monthly utilities (elec, water, security)
- home repairs

...all of which are used for personal use as well. my
home-office is only 1/4 of my study, which is about 1/6 of
my house. my home-office's two computers are also for
personal use when im not working. this is my confusion -- it
seemed from the IRS site that a home-office must be used
*only* for work, not for personal, in order to claim it.
which seemed odd to me...

can anyone give me a primer, tips, etc?

thanks,
matt

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Posted by Paul Thomas, CPA on December 15, 2006, 10:18 am
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> im a computer programmer. in march of 2006 i became a 1099
> independant contractor and moved cross-country (to new
> orleans!) for a client; in november i became a single-member
> LLC (disregarded entity to the IRS; filing as a sole prop).
> i have two clients, one that i work for from home, the other
> that i work for onsite. my home is a house i bought after
> arriving here.
>
> i use quicken for my income & expenses, which is pretty
> straight-forward. i plan to hire an accountant for an hour
> or two, but i wanted to do some research first before going
> in.
>
> im mainly curious about expenses. i save all of my
> business-related reciepts and log them -- gas & car costs,
> work meals, office supplies, etc. i believe i understand how
> they work.
>
> but what im not clear on, is if and how much i can expense:
>
> - monthly cell phone
> - monthly internet
> - monthly mortage (note + interest + insurance + taxs)
> - monthly utilities (elec, water, security)
> - home repairs
>
> ...all of which are used for personal use as well. my
> home-office is only 1/4 of my study, which is about 1/6 of
> my house. my home-office's two computers are also for
> personal use when im not working. this is my confusion -- it
> seemed from the IRS site that a home-office must be used
> *only* for work, not for personal, in order to claim it.
> which seemed odd to me...
>
> can anyone give me a primer, tips, etc?

Actually, if your home office is used for personal use, you
can't claim the home office deductions. And while that may
seem odd to you, the folks elected by people like you and me
(commonly known as Congress) came up with that.

If you have a qualifying home office (used regularly and
*exclusively* for business) then 1/6th of the common
household expenses, utilities (power, water, gas, security,
and the internet), home repairs, home insurance, the
mortgage interest (but not the principal amount), and
property taxes can be taken against your business income.
Your cell phone you'll have to take a prorated amount based
on your usage of business calls -v- personal calls, and yes,
the IRS will make you get detailed bills from the phone
company to prove it out if you don't keep records).

If I were you, I'd find some way to pull your personal
computer into another location so the office space
qualifies.

You'll also find that you may not have a good grasp on some
of the other expenses. While most are cut and dry,
deductions for your vehicle usage, meals and entertainment,
and purchases of equipment and furniture are quite another
matter, as they carry significantly different rules for
deductibility and documentation.

--
Paul Thomas, CPA
paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net

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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on December 16, 2006, 8:58 pm
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>> im a computer programmer. in march of 2006 i became a 1099
>> independant contractor and moved cross-country (to new
>> orleans!) for a client; in november i became a single-member
>> LLC (disregarded entity to the IRS; filing as a sole prop).
>> i have two clients, one that i work for from home, the other
>> that i work for onsite. my home is a house i bought after
>> arriving here.
>>
>> i use quicken for my income & expenses, which is pretty
>> straight-forward. i plan to hire an accountant for an hour
>> or two, but i wanted to do some research first before going
>> in.
>>
>> im mainly curious about expenses. i save all of my
>> business-related reciepts and log them -- gas & car costs,
>> work meals, office supplies, etc. i believe i understand how
>> they work.
>>
>> but what im not clear on, is if and how much i can expense:
>>
>> - monthly cell phone
>> - monthly internet
>> - monthly mortage (note + interest + insurance + taxs)
>> - monthly utilities (elec, water, security)
>> - home repairs

Both you and Paul seem to have left out Depreciation
Expense.

If you do claim Home Office Deduction, when you sell this
property you will have to recapture the allowed or allowable
depreciation, so best to take it now if you have an ofice in
the home. See Pub 587.

>> ...all of which are used for personal use as well. my
>> home-office is only 1/4 of my study, which is about 1/6 of
>> my house. my home-office's two computers are also for
>> personal use when im not working. this is my confusion -- it
>> seemed from the IRS site that a home-office must be used
>> *only* for work, not for personal, in order to claim it.
>> which seemed odd to me...
>>
>> can anyone give me a primer, tips, etc?

> Actually, if your home office is used for personal use, you
> can't claim the home office deductions. And while that may
> seem odd to you, the folks elected by people like you and me
> (commonly known as Congress) came up with that.
>
> If you have a qualifying home office (used regularly and
> *exclusively* for business) then 1/6th of the common
> household expenses, utilities (power, water, gas, security,
> and the internet), home repairs, home insurance, the
> mortgage interest (but not the principal amount), and
> property taxes can be taken against your business income.
> Your cell phone you'll have to take a prorated amount based
> on your usage of business calls -v- personal calls, and yes,
> the IRS will make you get detailed bills from the phone
> company to prove it out if you don't keep records).
>
> If I were you, I'd find some way to pull your personal
> computer into another location so the office space
> qualifies.
>
> You'll also find that you may not have a good grasp on some
> of the other expenses. While most are cut and dry,
> deductions for your vehicle usage, meals and entertainment,
> and purchases of equipment and furniture are quite another
> matter, as they carry significantly different rules for
> deductibility and documentation.

__
Art Kamlet ArtKamlet @ AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Posted by Steve Pope on December 17, 2006, 6:40 pm
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> If you do claim Home Office Deduction, when you sell this
> property you will have to recapture the allowed or allowable
> depreciation, so best to take it now if you have an ofice in
> the home. See Pub 587.

Isn't it true that even if you don't claim any home office
deduction, you will have to recapture the depreciation
(because it was allowable)?

Steve

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Posted by Seth Breidbart on December 18, 2006, 8:43 pm
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>> If you do claim Home Office Deduction, when you sell this
>> property you will have to recapture the allowed or allowable
>> depreciation, so best to take it now if you have an ofice in
>> the home. See Pub 587.

> Isn't it true that even if you don't claim any home office
> deduction, you will have to recapture the depreciation
> (because it was allowable)?

If you don't claim to have a home office, there's no
deduction or depreciation allowable. If you claim a home
office and take deductions but not depreciation, you get hit
for the allowable depreciation anyway.

Seth

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